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    Posted: 08-May-2008 at 00:37

Hey all.  I bought a low mileage 00 320i with 56Kmiles, one owner and full history.   Trouble would seem is car hadnt been serviced for two years because mileage was so low.  Brought it to BMW dealer last week and there is a long list of things to be done.  I had some taken care of:

Steering tie rod; Rear diff seal; front end resistor on fan; control arm bushings; brake discs and pads and a full service.  This cost me €1,400.

It also needs:  gearshift rod seal - output seal and shift shaft seal (it's leaking slightly); rear tracking arm bushings (going soft); and recommending water pump and thermostat change as well as p/s, a/c, alt, belts and the rear left brake pipe as it's corroding.

This sounds like an awful lot of work on what seems to be a car in very good condition, with low mileage? 

What do you guys think?



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NOISUFNOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2008 at 07:42

Its always the trouble with bmw's, since they run forever, you always get people buying them and never going near the dealer until they trade it in for a new one.

Its probably spent its life in stop start traffic so that would account for the fan resistor and the seal on the gearshift, waterpump and thermostat could also probably get covered by this.

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Unfortunately, most of the items you listed are fairly standard BMW maintenance items.  Its just unusual to have to replace all of them at once, usually they will be done in dribs and drabs over time. 

With a low mileage car like yours and the longer intervals (time and/or mileage) between services, it means that a good few things have accumulated since the last service.  I find that although the official intervals have extended significantly over recent generations of BMW's, you still end up making as many trips to the workshop as before to attend to the wear and tear items that crop up. 

The intervals on an e30 325i were about 8k-ish for me.  Low mileage cars were prompted by the annual inspection interval.  If wear and tear items needed attention then the time/miles until the next scheduled service wasn't excessive.

My 330 will do 15k+ between services.  Even for me, doing a biggish mileage, its too long to leave wear and tear items until the next scheduled service.  The bills for the unscheduled work always seem to be bigger than if the same job was dealt with at a scheduled service. 

(Maybe I'm a bit paranoid about the money making racket approach that dealers use for this kind of work!  )

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ACS330 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2008 at 12:27

Just for comparison, I bought a 29k 2003 in Sept last year and so far, virtually all the minor rubber components (belts and some bushes)have needed to be done, the water pump and 6 ignition coils.

The story goes that with the low mileage and lack o0f use many parts do not last that long when run for a whiole and then left for long periods.

I once bought an 8 year old with 22k and ion the first year replaced all rubber including a full set of tyres for the mot.

I think the way many cars are designed these days are alomost free for 3 years and say 50k but after that mileage or time period things start to fail/wear out so I either try to buy lower mileage or younger/older cars so that someone else has bourne some o0f the costs of repairs or they are far enough off to make it worthwhile.

To a degree, it also depends how long you plan to keep it, if for a while then it is worth spedning the money to get many more miles of motoring.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BlueBeemer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-May-2008 at 12:49

Best bit of advice I can give is to find a local independant specialist who can do the maintenance jobs for you. You probably could have halved the figure you paid.

 

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Originally posted by ACS330 ACS330 wrote:

The story goes that with the low mileage and lack o0f use many parts do not last that long when run for a whiole and then left for long periods.



Just to add, my car has 241,000 on it and the bushes are all fine, and they don't look that new either.
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I intend finding a good independent dealer and getting the car serviced every 10K miles or so.  Apart from the cost, I didn't like the dealer attitude and the fact the I couldn't discuss the 'to do' list with the technician.  They also tried to overcharge me - €30 labour for a microfilter which should have been included in the oil service!  The car was used very infrequently, but was in the country rather than the city.  I guess it's age rather than mileage that causes rubber type components to go bad.  The car runs perfectly and there isn't a squeak from it or a scratch to be seen.  The only thing I find odd is the clutch - it's very easy to cut the car out.  I read somewhere that there is a clutch delay valve which the car is much better without.  Is this true?  Also, from what I read on other forums, bushing seem to be a usual replacement item on the 3 series.
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This morning my car passed the NCT/MOT - with no issues.  I was concerned about the corroding left hand rear brake pipe identified by a BMW dealer at a recent service. The quote I received for replacement of the left and right side pipes was in excess of €1,000 - mostly labour - it's a difficult job!  I phoned another BMW dealer in Kildare to verify the quote and this is correct.  However, this dealer told me that if the car had passed the MOT, then leave the pipes alone as they could last for another 5 years or so.  He also told me that the water pump is fine.  He said that it will get noisy before it fails, so I will have some warning....?  There seems to be conflicting views on this...?

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Congrats on the new car but I would recommend avoiding the dealers - the labour rate is just too expensive for an 8 year old car.

If you're wondering where else to go, try ACcarsales on the SCR if you work in Dublin or the various independents in Naas, Maynooth, Blanch or Kells.

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Hey JohnH, I quite agree with you.  I am going to pay furleys a visit in Kells.  Spoke to the guy on the phone and he seemed very sound and straightforward.  I'm inclined to think that the dealers are trying to generate income and the labour charges seem astonishing.  It would nearly drive you to buying a Toyota!
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Originally posted by agaafear agaafear wrote:

I'm inclined to think that the dealers are trying to generate income and the labour charges seem astonishing. 

IMHO - and it appears also the opinion of others - Dealers are just not interested in (or understand) older cars.

I found they have a tendancy to find fault in everything, trying to replace components so the car is back to original, just left showroom, condition.

When I took up a special 'fluid' service they offered on my E30 325i, they tried to overcharge me, and not replace the special washer fluid, as well giving me a huge list of things they said needed replacing.

Two days later the car passed an MOT - without replacing any of the parts - with no problem at all!

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Originally posted by agaafear agaafear wrote:

It would nearly drive you to buying a Toyota!
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