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Sporty1
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Can't help on this on Kev, I'm miles south of you. Only one I know up there/ish is Mosley Motorsport in Telford.... but have never used them personally.
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Uncle kev
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I live in the south yorkshire area, can you reccomend one near me? Thanks. |
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I would be inclined to take it a BMW specialist, but not the same one as have already worked on it...... that way you also get a second opinion.
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Uncle kev
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No there was just a slight increase of revs, No gasp for air at all. But I only had the cap off for a minute and didnt rev the engine or anything. I'll have to take it to a garage as my tool box is limited. Also I have no idea what the valve looks like. ( iv googled it and cant find any pics of one either) Is it a specialist job or can I take it to the local garage?? Also a point that may be worth mentioning is me and the girlfriend both find the car stalls more easily than any other car we have driven. |
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The engine should run like a bag of poo with the oil cap undone.What you are doing is creating an air bypass to the manifold with the cap off.This unmetered air causes the dme to richen the mixture up to a point but not enough to compensate....You would also find the dme light comes on as the emissions go through the roof. I would say you have a crankcase breathing problem somewhere,I think you need to pop the manifold off to check the fitment of the scavenger. Edited by < FORZA WEST |
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Ok I'v removed the oil filler cap and the engine was fine... so does this mean the scavenger can be crossed off the list?
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Theres a vacuum pipe that goes from the scavenger to the inlet manifold.You need to make sure it isnt trapped or perished...Unfortunately thats manifold off for that,all other pipes can be checked then as well. Trying to make sure every avenue is covered before an engine is fitted.
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"When the engine is running,undo the oil filler cap..Is there alot of pressure-gasp of air and does the engine then run roughly?" I will try this today and post back. Thanks |
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The only oil that passes into the scavenger is from crankcase breathing.it has a cyclone effect which catches the particals of oil and lets them run off to the sump,and let the air in the manifold for burn...If for any reason the the pipes block or kink the crankcase pressure will rise and pump the oil to the manifold........ The pipes run through and under the manifold...one of the pipes runs from the n/s top front of the cam cover and heads down under the manifold. When the engine is running,undo the oil filler cap..Is there alot of pressure-gasp of air and does the engine then run roughly? Edited by < FORZA WEST |
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The guy at quarry motors said the "scavenger valve" as they call it was blocked up. That was about it. But he said "with the scavenger valve being blocked, it was preventing the burned oil from escaping and now the new valve was on the burned oil has a clear way through" Does this sound right? So for the cylinder leak im going to have to book it in a garage, as for the scavenger, Is it something i can see easily enough to ensure that there are no kinks? It seems like you know your stuff, Its a shame you dont live closer,the car would be parked on your drive first thing in the morning |
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The kits we tend to use cost £200+ and you will also need an air compressor .The job although similar to what you have just done is easily misread. I should take about an hour to do and could be done by any good indie-a stealer will cost a fair bit. I know the pipes were replaced but my concern is that they are placed correctly..not kinked.Or even blocked..What condition was the scavenger/cyclone/breather/oil seperator The oil in the manifold will give a clue as to whether the fault is engine or breathing...If its clear then the oil has to be internal....Its the amount of oil thats being lost thats odd.If thats through wear then the engine would struggle to start and run...That amount of oil cant pass through a head gasket or valve guide or even through a crack without causing major running difficulties.....Very interesting!!!!Im raking through the grey matter on this one Edited by < FORZA WEST |
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The "crankcase breather pipe" it that the scavenger valve?? If so Iv had a new one on it along with new pipes in the work listed in the 1st post.
As for the cylinder leakage test is this a DIY test that a novice could do or would it be a dealer/mechanic job? And if so how much would I expect to pay?
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Those compressions are fine....Any sign of oil in the coolant? I would be looking to take the manifols off and checking for crankcase breather failure-pipe collapsed/poorly routed.You may find a large amount of oil sat at the bottom of the manifold... After this you need to carry out a cylinder leakage test-thisa test puts a compression into the cylinder and the overal leakage of air should be no greater than 5 % - 10 % havent had to do this since the early nikosil problem...oh and the new e65 v12 n73 engine We dont see any other problems with these as such..head gaskets,heads,engines very very rare indeed. |
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Thanks Iv done the compression test and the results are (1 to 6 being from the bumper towards the windscreen) 1 - 200psi 2 - 210psi 3 - 210psi 4 - 210psi 5 - 200psi I couldnt do the 6th as the extention i was using was too long but the 5th was 200psi so the 6th should have been fine right ?! the plugs were fine and it actually fired up on 1 cylinder with the copression tester in it ( I left the other plugs in situe until it was their turn) There is soot in the exhaust no oil residue so its definately burning oil not blowing it out of the back. Soooooo...... Where next? I was going to try putting some Wyns oil addative in to see how that fairs up and maybe putting some 5/30 oil in rather than the mobil1 0/40. What do you think? Regards.
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This should help you.... |
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Uncle kev
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Also can anyone tell me where the MPI fuse is so I dont make a mess of the engine. Sorry Im not a mechanic so a little bit dumb
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Hi, Im just in the process of doing the compression test and I have come across some plastic covers over the plugs which are bolted down with 2 bolts. Is there a rubber seal underneath these that I mite damage ?? Just wanted to be sure before I continue. Thanks. |
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Ok will do. |
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Test with engine stone cold... sitting over night and then warm.
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Right iv got a test kit so I'll post the results up once Iv had chance to use it
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