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I agree - no justification for it!
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Raikonnen minus 14 points again for the 2nd race on the run. He's lost the plot. At this rate Simon is going to beat me

If you look at the individual points table the most consistent and top scoring driver is Heidfeld. Quite suprising. Never qualifies well but always seems to gain a lot of places in the race. Suppose thats the way this league works though. The likes of Hamilton and Massa are never going to score particularly well as they generally qualify at the top so can never gain places.

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What an excellent race! exciting, unpredictable and probably one of the best I've seen in years.
Shame it is to be marred by a stupid FIA decision, where now FIA?
What a mess!
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Standing's after Belgian Gp.

 

1 Hibernian 2 6 24 8 10 16 24 4 24 51 21 8 19 15 0 0 0 0 0 232
2 Stevesingo F1 0 27 22 -4 15 50 17 -22 17 16 41 14 24 10 0 0 0 0 0 227
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Update: McLaren are going to appeal the stewards decision.
Apparently they twice got confirmation from race control that the pass was fine before the race ended!
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4122777,00.html
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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

Update: McLaren are going to appeal the stewards decision.

Whilst I agree that the penalty applied was totally wrong, there is a bit of problem with an appeal.

He was given a "Drive-through-Penalty"

The regs state that if this is type of penalty is applied during the last 5 (or 3, doesn't matter really) laps of a race, then it will be converted into a time penalty to be applied to the overall race time.

The regs also state that it is not possible to appeal a drive-through.

So, I'm not sure on what grounds McLaren can appeal - but good luck to them anyway.

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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

He was given a "Drive-through-Penalty"

The regs state that if this is type of penalty is applied during the last 5 (or 3, doesn't matter really) laps of a race, then it will be converted into a time penalty to be applied to the overall race time.

The regs also state that it is not possible to appeal a drive-through.

So, I'm not sure on what grounds McLaren can appeal - but good luck to them anyway.

I've just checked the regs - (for all you other sado's  here you go) http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/475632E46002BEDAC12 5744F004312F4/$FILE/F1.SPORTING.REGULATIONS.19-05-2008.pdf

it's 5 laps (16.3), but TBH I can't find the "can't appeal" bit, but thats what i've heard.

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I think the FIA need to make a clear explaination of why they have penalised Hamilton

What a kerfuffle!

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look what I found.......

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Seems like Timo Glock (although accepting the decision) disputes the stewards decision on him
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4126227,00.html

It really does now seem like there is a Ferrari bias within the FIA
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This gets better and better...
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For those of you that were not aware .......

Charlie Whiting joined Bernie Ecclestone's Brabham team in 1978, where he stayed for the following decade, becoming chief mechanic for the World Championship successes of 1981 and 1983 and later rising to chief engineer.

In 1988 he became Technical delegate to the FIA Formula 1 and in 1997 he was appointed FIA Race Director and Safety Delegate.

 

Bernie Ecclestone became chief executive of FOCA in 1978 with Max Mosley as his legal advisor.

 

Max Mosley was a founder member of March, which won three of its first four races. In 1981 he drew up the first Concorde Agreement". In 1993 Mosley was elected president of the FIA, replacing Balestre. The FISA was then merged into the FIA as its sporting arm. Mosley was elected to his second term as president of the FIA in October 1997, his third in 2001 and fourth in 2005.

 

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I don't know why anyone bothers with F1. Oh, yeah...MONEY.

I'm pretty sure McLaren have consulted their sponsors, before lodging their appeal. The sponsors obviously think it is good for business.

Just a different outlook...

Steve

P.S I fully support Hamilton.

P.P.S In hindsight, Hamilton probably could have passed Kimi at any point on the circuit before the end of the race. He didn't need to do it, so maybe he has learnt from this farce.

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OK, Italy next, home of..errrr

So who's coming 3rd then?

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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

OK, Italy next, home of..errrr

So who's coming 3rd then?

 

Judging from the rain during the first practice and the forcast for tomorrow and sunday the first three could look like this

1st- Sunseaker

2nd - Riva

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Italian Grand Prix free practice session 1 times

1.  SUTIL         Force India   1m32.842s

2.  BARRICHELLO   Honda         1m33.428s

3.  FISICHELLA    Force India   1m33.695s

4.  GLOCK         Toyota        1m36.800s

5.  ROSBERG       Williams      1m36.900s

6.  ALONSO        Renault       1m36.965s

7.  BOURDAIS      Toro Rosso    1m37.142s

8.  TRULLI        Toyota        1m37.214s

9.  RAIKKONEN     Ferrari       1m37.392s

10. VETTEL        Toro Rosso    1m37.754s

11. PIQUET        Renault       1m38.057s

12. COULTHARD     Red Bull      1m38.303s

13. BUTTON        Honda         1m39.062s

14. MASSA         Ferrari       1m40.233s

15. HEIDFELD      BMW           no time

16. NAKAJIMA      Williams      no time

17. KUBICA        BMW           no time

18. KOVALAINEN    McLaren       no time

19. WEBBER        Red Bull      no time

20. HAMILTON      McLaren       no time

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Italian Grand Prix free practice session 1 times

20. HAMILTON      McLaren       no time


aparently he is not going to bother setting times - he's waiting on the stewards to decide one for him
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Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

Originally posted by Sporty1 Sporty1 wrote:

Italian Grand Prix free practice session 1 times

20. HAMILTON      McLaren       no time



aparently he is not going to bother setting times - he's waiting on the stewards to decide one for him

 

Not quite, he did one siting lap but did not cross the start/finish line, then it started raining then the thunder and lightening started, so no-one went out as they were all busy sweeping the water out of their garages............

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I thought this Topic was getting a bit off-topic  so I've created this one...

http://www.bavarian-board.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=42441 
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Italian Grand Prix free practice session 2 times

1.  RAIKKONEN     Ferrari       1m23.861s
2.  KUBICA        BMW           1m23.931s
3.  HEIDFELD      BMW           1m23.947s
4.  HAMILTON      McLaren       1m23.983s
5.  ROSBERG       Williams      1m24.110s
6.  MASSA         Ferrari       1m24.247s
7.  KOVALAINEN    McLaren       1m24.365s
8.  WEBBER        Red Bull      1m24.521s
9.  SUTIL         Force India   1m24.669s
10. VETTEL        Toro Rosso    1m24.773s
11. COULTHARD     Red Bull      1m25.100s
12. BOURDAIS      Toro Rosso    1m25.192s
13. FISICHELLA    Force India   1m25.204s
14. BARRICHELLO   Honda         1m25.296s
15. BUTTON        Honda         1m25.309s
16. NAKAJIMA      Williams      1m25.330s
17. GLOCK         Toyota        1m25.397s
18. ALONSO        Renault       1m25.481s
19. TRULLI        Toyota        1m25.753s
20. PIQUET        Renault       1m26.195s

 

Session, dry.

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