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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2008 at 11:46

Looks like things are moving on reasonably well now Andrew. There's a lot to be said for emailing the organ grinder as opposed to the monkey.

As I said in an earlier post the main thing to watch out for will be the dealers unwillingness to claim on their insurance, they'll try their best to absorb the loss whilst trying to assure BMW UK that you're a happy camper!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2008 at 09:03

Jeezo, glad they found the git. Probably get away with it lightly no doubt

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2008 at 08:52

Update from BMW (GB) Ltd - Friday

Got a phone call on Friday afternoon from the helpful Dealer Principal at Douglas Park.  He told me that BMW (GB) Ltd has sent him a copy of my letter.

Bottom line is he has been told by BMW (GB) Ltd to 'sort it', I think this is likely to be the only response I'll get on my letter.  Anyway, he was once again apologetic and told me he would reimburse me for the cost of insuring the replacement 520d that the dealer has supplied, which is good.  He also told me that CID have discovered that it was only one person involved in taking my car and not three people as previously thought.

He again told me that he is hopeful that my car will be found (Aye in Dubai mibbie!) but that he would help me with a deal on a replacement 545i if it came to it.

Insurance company Update - Saturday

Phone my insurance company to extend the cover on the 520d. Blah blah blah, they told me the car is insured for market value.  I asked how they define market value and was advised that it was based on numerous things and Glass Guide Price.

I was also told that this claim will go down as a black mark against me until it is resolved with the BMW insurance company.  That is if they decide to counter claim the BMW insurance company.  I told them that there was no way that I was going to settle for this and that they (my insurance company) must do everything in their power to claim back from the BMW insurance company as this is no way my fault or my insurance company fault.

Insurance Company Update - Sunday

Insurance Company have e-mailed to tell me that an assessor will shortly be in contact to discuss my claim.  Aye Bring it on!

CID Update - Monday

Some thieving person has been lifted on a different matter and confessed to pinching my car.  This happened last night.  This person has been charged with the theft of my car. He sold the car on within an hour of stealing it as he thought it had a tracker in it.  CID said that this other place was across the country which I am assuming Edinburgh.  They think it is in a lock up somewhere.   They said they still might not find the car.

All good fun really.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-February-2008 at 16:56

The story about the keys being lifted, from what I can gather it was taken at a loss because the keys weren't secured and the vehicle wasn't even registered so I don't think any claim was put through. Obviously no customer lost out because it was still on our stock and therefore our property so the company lost the cost completely!        A valuable lesson learned.

I did also hear of another Mercedes dealer where two brand new vans were stolen, again no trace though I don't know the situation but it was some dealer up north somewhere.

I hear about it quite a lot in my job and I still can't believe people aren't more careful.

As long as people have holes in their butts there will be idiots who are careless with vehicle keys!

I imagine BMW GB will want to get the story straight with the dealer first before contacting you so perhaps thats where some delay will come from.

I look forward to hearing some good news anytime soon, fingers crossed.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-February-2008 at 08:36

Thanks Mike, like yourself and Peter, this thread has been missed by a few people on here, but it is only when you actually read it that you can't actually take in what has happened.  And no I still can't really believe it either until I look out to my driveway and see a slightly different 5 series sitting there.

I put my car into a flagship city centre dealer to get fixed and the car drives off from their forecourt without them knowing.  I only found out by checking the dealers web site that they were actually open on the Sunday, still no one noticed on the Sunday, only when they went looking for it on the Monday the horrible truth was realised.

In the case of the story you told about keys being lifted off a desk, who paid out on the vehicle?  Was it the dealers insurance company?

No response from BMW UK yet but still early I suppose.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-February-2008 at 21:35

Blimey Andrew, I must have been asleep lately, I didn't read this until I clicked on the link from the other post (BMW address)

That sucks, I'd be gutted if my car was stolen so I can almost imagine how you must feel.

We had a brand new, unregistered Mercedes Sprinter stolen off our forecourt a few months back. The keys were left of the salesmans desk after it was delivered. Two young traveller lads came in asking to speak to a salesman and no-one thought nothing of it. When the salesman came back from lunch, he noticed only one key on the key ring but thought it had just been missing at the delivery. It was only 3 days later when he went to check over the vehicle he noticed it wasn't there!

It can happen anywhere! suffice to say keys are now locked away and are in the workshop in full view of all the workshop staff.

We also have a metal drop box which a customer left his keys in once when we were closed (it's only meant for post, not keys!) He says he left the keys in there but come Monday, his van was also gone though no-one could have known they keys were there so that was a bit fishy (not connecting your story with that one, don't worry!)

And we had a ringer in our place the other day too. The chassis number is always stamped on the chassis leg but this one was stanmped into a bit of tin and pressed over the original. We only knew because we had to fit a new rear axle and when we did the warranty claim, Mercedes said the old axle number didn't match the chassis number for the vehicle so that's when we checked it. The poor owner lost a 55 reg Sprinter which he'd paid 15k for only a few months ago and he has not a single comeback at all what-so-ever.

Just goes to show it's rife unfortunatley. The only thing which is probably the best in a bad situation is the fact you cannot be held at all responsible. The dealer has to accept full responsibility and I'd expect nothing less than the full co-operation of the dealer as well as the biggest sorry from BMW GB too.

I really really hope you get the result you want, or something as near as.

Finger crossed and keep us posted.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-February-2008 at 18:12

Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

Without wanting to prejudice a claim or a potential trial, was any explanation given as to how your keys and car were removed from the dealers?

Yip but I'd rather not say at this present moment, just in case.

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Any word back from the polis?

Nah, nothing.  I tried to phone the CID officer but he wasn't in.  I dare say he will be in touch if he hears anything.

Insurance company are still proccessing.  They are taking the stance that BMW are liable though.  But that is still to be confirmed.  "It is still in the early stages" Hmm...

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Without wanting to prejudice a claim or a potential trial, was any explanation given as to how your keys and car were removed from the dealers?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-February-2008 at 17:31

Got the number from

www.saynoto0870.com

It's proved to be a very good resource for bypassing call centres, getting direct dial landlines, mostly from people challenging companies with the FOI legislation. Don't go telling everyone . . . Big Smile

There is another number there too, 0113 prefix, Leeds I think, although it's unverified on their database.

Regardless of that I would have thought you'd have heard at least some of the right noises coming from their HQ by now? There are so many aspects to this that I find completely infuriating, from the time taken to report the crime, right through to the problems you'll most likely encounter with uninsured losses.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-February-2008 at 16:49

Where did you get that number from Drew?

0800 777 111 is the BMW assist no. 

I phone Customer Services last Monday when it all kicked off but I have never had anything back from them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-February-2008 at 16:38

sorted . . . the freephone number for BMW UK is

0800 777 113 (I hate these 0845, 0870 numbers!!!)

Hopefully you'll get some sort of response quicker by being able to refer to the email that was delivered.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-February-2008 at 15:46

Just e-mail a pdf copy of my letter to customerservices at BMW.  Got a delivery receipt and a read receipt, no reply yet.  Also got an automated reply stating

"Thank you for contacting BMW Customer Services.

One of our executives will respond shortly, alternatively if your enquiry is urgent please contact Customer Services on 0870 5050 160.

As part of our ongoing customer satisfaction programme please be aware that calls may be recorded for training purposes."

I await one of their executives to respond.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-February-2008 at 10:38

Just seen this post Andrew.

Sorry to hear about your loss. Having a car nicked sucks. I just hope that it is resolved as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-February-2008 at 17:39

Might just do that Drew.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-February-2008 at 15:52

A quick heads up re your contact to BMW UK . . . send a pdf version of the correspondence by email and request a read receipt too.

Things like this are more likely to be passed around quicker than a hard copy letter, plus you'll definitely know that they've received it!

Best of luck, keep us posted.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-February-2008 at 13:26

The insurance company got me worried when they said things like, 'if they don't admit liability'.

I'll agrue that it has nothing to do with me, don't worry.

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Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

Certainly not going to settle if they try and blame me or offer a 50-50! 


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Update

Phoned insurance company yesterday to tell them that I have posted off the V5, MOT Cert, Insurance Cert, Service History, Pics, spare key etc etc.  I sent that special delivery, wasn't taking a chance.  They said that they were pursuing BMW to admit liability in order to make a payout. 

Certainly not going to settle if they try and blame me or offer a 50-50! 

Also sent a letter to BMW GB (Special delivery so I know they will get it!) to tell them of what happened the last time I visited one of their dealers!

All I can do is sit an wait! 

So frustrating.

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Pity the thieves weren't in this gang

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-February-2008 at 08:58
disappointing game really Andrew, if the try line was the oppositions 22, we'd have won it but, handling proved to be the downfall of Scotland yet again :¬
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