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kdevitt
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Its completely legal here to drive unaccompanied on your second provisional at the moment - the change in law just stops this. I can understand people on the second provisionals feeling slightly aggrieved, as they were effectively being given a days notice, but anyone on a first, third etc has been breaking the law as it is, and is now complaining that they wish to continue breaking the law! |
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irelandoffline
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A few people that have provisional licenses feel that it is unfair that they will have to have an accompanied driver beside them until they receive a full licence, considering they have been driving on their own since they got their "license". But at the end of the day they are breaking the law right now, driving on their own.
I know if I was on a prov-license I would be annoyed too, but what can you do. The law is the law, and people have been flouting the driving laws for far too long. People are still driving down motorways with L plates, unaccompanied. I think the only job the Traffic Corp do is check for speeders, and they check for that on motorways and dual-carraigeways, where there is feck all fatality. Look at the driving instructors in this country for gods sake, there is no regulation. Anyone with a pink licence can teach wannabes how to drive. What a disgrace. 1. Driving instructors should be regulated. 2. At least 25 hours of daytime/night-time driving experience before owning a car. 3. Driving intuition should be mandatory in schools from 5th year. 4. Traffic laws actually enforced. If people see the law is enforced, they aremore likely going to do something about their current driving situation. Edited by irelandoffline |
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Claudio
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I Musy say netwhizkid that was a great reply you made there with a lot of very good points,Especially regarding people not knowing the BASIC controls of the car,within the last few weeks i have seen 3 people driving around my town in the dark with no lights on.Like how thick does someone have to be that you forget to turn on your lights, it is basic common sense..I know of 1 or 2 girls who dont even know what foglights are ar where to turn them on in a car.Dont even mention asc or dsc or ebd etc etc..There is proof that there is major lack in education to people who are learning..btw the im not making a sexist statement about girls,driving, they are just the particular examples i have seen.. |
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Nigel
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Just on the point of lights here, nothing to do with driving licences. I recently had a vauxhall astra 1.4 sxi on hire, the instrument panel & controls were entirely lit all the time the ignition was on........it is to date the only car that I feel I could have driven in a lit built up area without switching the lights on ! |
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irelandoffline
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I always drive with my lights on, sure there is no harm in it.
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larzyh
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netwhizkid - I think the government is trying to catch up with the rest of Europe by, at least elliminating some of the ridiculous scenarios possible under the current system. I know of no European country other than the UK who operate a Learner Driver system (Edit: And Ireland, of course!). I doubt if any fatal accidents happened as a direct result of somebody stalling their manually transmissioned car. Manual or automatic transmission does not make a fundamental difference to the safe operation of a motor vehicle. I know many people who do not have any level of mechanical understanding but are perfectly "safe and courteous" drivers. It is fine to know how to operate a car without necessarily understanding the mechanics of it. It should be a "big deal" to get a license; if it makes no difference just because some Learner Drivers are safer drivers than some drivers with a full license, one might as well not have a licensing system at all. Safety is more likely to be a maintenance issue than whether the car left the factory with or without "extras". Which safety features are included in a UK BMW that is omitted from the Irish model? Most fatal accidents are considered a direct result of driver error. Totally in agreement with your last point, not withstanding my first point. Edited by larzyh |
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topazman
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Looks like a reprieve for motorists til June next year for the second provisional drivers but as for all the rest tough luck it was always there
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irelandoffline
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Hey Topazman, hear anything about enforcement??
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dryle
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Sure some of the driving test centres leave a lot to be desired, when i was doing my test I was in the driving school beside it before hand going thru some last minute checks, the instructors were commenting that the tester brought a motorcyclist thru a stop sign 3 times and he didnt stop once that same guy passed his test as he was the only one out at the time. My test from the moment I met the tester to the time he gave me the slip of paper was 15 mins, I rang swmbo and she was astonished how quickly my test was over. Dont forget the last time that there was a major backlog on people waiting for tests, they all got amnesties. |
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Dave Ryle
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adzy216
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Well isn't this turning into a popular topic. I ve read all the arguments, but the whole thing has to be taken on logic. As was mentioned, the law has always been there. Now they are enforcing it. Yes we older chaps drove on provisionals without someone with us, but we never had skylines an glanzas wasting valuable bavarian countryside. I don't think i was dreaming in january when i told my missus to get her test because they are gonna clamp down on learners. That was 9 months ago when there was a 6 month waiting list. Maybe they should have put a few reminders during Coronation street. But the fact remains if you haven't proved to be a competent driver (which i assume is the basis of a test) then you should not be driving a car on your own. I agree that good driving comes from experience and how can you get experience if you are not allowed to drive, but set some limits. Good points have been made about limiting size of engine etc which surely is the only answer. Along with educating drivers to get their fat arses into a BM and enjoy a bit of quality driving instead of going 50yards (that's about 50metersish for you younger chaps) and dumping the excess from their very undernourished turbos. So let's push, from this site our want's and needs. A waiting time of 3months for a test, a limit on engine size to 1.4litre till you've passed your test, and compulsory that your first car post test is an E34. (that one's for you Ben). That's my rant for now. Someone moreup on these computer thingys might get some sort of poll or petition going on what we want to see happening.
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Security2U
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Its a load of if people want 2 drive on provisionals let them im on my 2nd so far if these boyz racer lads who giv every young lad a bad name get a full license they ill get cheaper insurance powerful cars and they ill think there great on there full if the cops get them that it wont be as bad as if they had there provisonal license still its not noing the rules of the road that is killing people its speed or drink drivers i could be on my provisonal license Full license or just hav a fishing license with me i could still do 150mph out a road and crash in to sum1 and kill him and myself wat should be done i think is bring in the speed cameraz or more guards on the roads. Edited by thepits |
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thepits
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It's illegal thats why not. In this case the Law is NOT an ass! In the UK we already have enough trouble with un-licenced, un-taxed, so therefore un-insured drivers to last us a lifetime. The UK driving test is rubbish - yes ok, I (and a few others here possibly) probably wouldn't pass it again now, but that doesn't mean it's any good, but rules is rules. You pass it, you're allowed to drive alone anywhere - including motorways - but it doesn't mean you are a good driver. But a provisonal driver hasn't even proved how bad they are Edited by thepits |
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Nigel
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I love it when people say they couldn't pass their driving test now ! What pittsy is saying is he doesn't think he could reach the min standard required to be allowed to drive on British roads unsupervised....... Of course he could ! The test over here is better than it has ever been, it just seems to be being bogged down with older people (possibly like pittsy) forgetting that they couldn't always drive, and have actually learnt a lot over the years, and they seem to want new drivers to have all their experience. If you Irish boys really want to feel hard done by, imagine having to drive to the British system, you can't drive unsupervised at all until you've passed a test, theory, hazard perception, & practicle. |
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b318isp
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I think that this will make very little difference as the chance of detection is so low. What provisional drivers will probably do is remove their L plates - then who is to know?
The loophole should be tightened, but a lot more is needed (as per the UK system) to make a real difference. |
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Kin Mak
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Just get your full licence and stop whining. |
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dryle
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Working in Dublin City Centre at the present, only for I know what the traffic I would be driving in. The train is a complete pain in the butt, never on time. Operation go slow should be fun this year if they start to clamp down on the licences. There was a major checkpoint on the locan road a couple of months back, about 20 Gardai checking tax/insurance. Large number of cars pulled in. |
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Dave Ryle
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Nigel
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Do you boys not enjoy an anpr system yet ? If not, I'm sure its coming
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Nigel
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I'm surprised by this comment...I thought they all did, including you, but you choose not to enforce yours. Our licences have been changing to fall inline with europe too, max weights, max seating etc etc. |
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Rhys
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I've noticed that as well, i can drive a 7 ton twin axle wagon with a trailer and my sister can't. I've a lot more entitlements on my license than my sister does. Wasn't there a law that came out not so long ago that stopped folks driving a large landrover (9 seats?) on a normal licence? |
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