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dryle 
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Dave Ryle
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635CSi
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Posted: 26-July-2007 at 15:58 |
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In my opinion the BMW brand only holds a certain amount of prestige up past the 100k Euro mark. Same goes for Merc and Audi, there are much more highly regarded brands in that price bracket such as Porsche, Bentley, Maserati etc etc...
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635CSi
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Posted: 26-July-2007 at 16:01 |
F***in' hell! I wonder what hit that, and how will they repair it?? Edited by 635CSi |
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dryle
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Posted: 26-July-2007 at 16:11 |
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new panels, I would say structurally the car seens to be ok and whatever hit it did so at a bit of speed to sheer the panels the way it did.
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Posted: 27-July-2007 at 22:21 |
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He he, I can picture it now; "What happened to your car mate?" "Er.........something hit my rear" "Something?" "Erm........well, I was revving at the light, taunting an M3 driver next to me, then the light went green I slammed it in reverse by mistake and whacked the traffic lights!"
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Posted: 27-July-2007 at 22:33 |
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Prestige is not the only reason to buy a car. There are lots of extremely wealthy people driving BMW's and Mercedes'. Porsche don't yet make a four door, the Bentley is an overpriced VW and the Maserati is Italian. Sometimes people just want a good car!
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635CSi
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Posted: 27-July-2007 at 23:32 |
Porsche do make a 4 door, the Cayenne. Actually it's a 5 door if you include the hatchback. |
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Posted: 28-July-2007 at 07:41 |
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635CSI - of course! Slipped my mind, I was just thinking of the up-coming Panamera (right name?). Mind you, the Cayenne isn't really a "proper" Porsche.
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Larzyh.
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Posted: 28-July-2007 at 12:45 |
Yes you are correct, it is the Panamera. I agree with you the Cayenne is by no means a 'proper' Porsche, it's like Land Rover making an air cooled sports car if you ask me. |
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Posted: 29-July-2007 at 14:31 |
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Yet the latest incarnation of the Cayenne has received extremely good reviews indeed. Furthermore, the sales issues they had with them (i.e. not selling too well) have disappeared over the last year or so. They're now a very popular choice. If you've come across a Cayenne S on the road then most will acknowledge the don't hang about either. If you've come up against a Cayenne Turbo or a Gembella edition...then it's bye bye Porsche. They're extremely rapid indeed. |
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Posted: 29-July-2007 at 17:23 |
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Just read the EVO magazine article on the M3 v's RS4. The M3 was the
winner but not by a big margin like the e46 M3 was over the last Audi. Plus it only returned 11mpg. I quote Harry in his editorial, "All was going swimmingly as I read through the article, until I stumbled across a throwaway line in Meaden's copy: 'During our test this new M3 averaged just 11mpg'. Eleven mpg. Even my Zonda has never managed to go that low." Speaking of EVO it's got a very good Lamborghini article comparing a Countach, Diablo, Murcielago and Gallardo on their favourite Welsh roads. Note where the Diablo is registered when you see it. |
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635CSi
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Posted: 30-July-2007 at 00:34 |
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In my opinion it was a big mistake fitting it with a V8, it's moving the M3 too far away from it's heritage.
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Posted: 30-July-2007 at 08:36 |
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How? the original M3 had a straight 4. Just because the last two incarnations had a straight 6 doesn't mean that it has to stay that way. |
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Posted: 30-July-2007 at 10:45 |
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The V8 engine is lighter and more powerfull than the outgoing straight 6 so that can't be all bad.......... The 11mpg's however is just shocking........may not be regarded as a supercar, but certainly has supercar thirst. |
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Posted: 30-July-2007 at 17:47 |
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(Peter Fenwick wrote: How? the original M3 had a straight 4. Just because the last two
incarnations had a straight 6 doesn't mean that it has to stay that way.) That's really my point, the amount of cylinders has doubled since the original. Also, I would have thought having a big V8 under the bonnet would make it less nimble than the E30 and more 'nose heavy'. (Sporty1 wrote: The V8 engine is lighter and more powerfull than the outgoing straight 6 so that can't be all bad.......... The 11mpg's however is just shocking........may not be regarded as a supercar, but certainly has supercar thirst.) That's part of my point again, 11 mpg is quite frankly shocking!Edited by 635CSi |
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Posted: 30-July-2007 at 18:23 |
Well the v8 car should have less weight in the nose as a V8 is not as long as a straight six, its lighter, so as long as it's not like an old school Audi and mounted on the front grill balance shouldn't be a problem. At Bruntingthorpe a few years ago my SE's comsumption dropped down to 15-16mpg's and I doubt Evo mag were were driving like my gran. |
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Posted: 30-July-2007 at 18:28 |
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The V8 engine is a tad lighter then the last straight 6 but more importantly
it's shorter so the engine can be pushed further back towards the middle of the car making it handle better and be far less nose heavy the the e36 and e46 M3's. I think it was a great idea to use a V8. It's a high revving one (8400 rpm) like a Ferrari so don't be thinking it's going to be like a fat American muscle car. The 11mpg will not financially bother many prospective buyers as it's now a very expensive car but the fact that you'd have stop in a petrol station to fill it 2 or 3 times a week would piss me off.  Edited by flyingalexf68 |
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Posted: 30-July-2007 at 21:04 |
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Petrol is the one thing that is still relatively cheap here in Ireland! Sporty1's point on consumption seems likely; you may well average 11mpg for the first few weeks but it's bound to improve with more sensible, everyday, driving. |
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Posted: 30-July-2007 at 21:09 |
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I just picked up my copy of EVO today, they seem to have given it the most decent review I have read so far. It actually looks pretty cool, it would look sexy in Interlagos Blue with the standard alloys.
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Posted: 31-July-2007 at 09:06 |
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I suspect most owners will get far more than 11mpg. EVO magazine got the car to evalute it's performance so it will have been driven very hard. I could get my 530 to well under 20mpg easilly if I drove the nuts of it, however in reality I rarely see less than 25mpg, because most of the time I don't get the chance to drive it like that. |
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