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larzyh
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neoman, the Alpina plaque on the dashboard is not necessarily a guarantee of authenticity - there are fake ones of those too. But of course any genuine Alpina would have it. Larzyh. Edited by larzyh |
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Larzyh.
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neoman
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that 840 is a fake i reckon as a genuine alpina would have the badge plate on the inside with the car number stamped on it and if you were selling a genuine one it would be the first thing to point out to people.
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Ben O Brien
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I cant believe this coincidence lads, was pulling out on to a roundabout near the crescent shopping centre in Limerick yesterday when i spotted in the queue a rather interesting looking 8 series, even though i had right of way i kept letting off cars in his lane off just to get that bit closer, anyways as he pulled out i shot out behind him and procedded to follow it the whole way into town. It was a genuine B12 alright, full alpina kit, alpina wheels, properly badged as B12 and even had B12 DHS as the number plate (UK plates), Im not sure exactly but i think the colour was the same as the one pictured above. Couldnt get over the back tyres, like garden rollers!! |
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larzyh
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leon - that B12 is mind-bogglingly gorgeous!!! Larzyh. |
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Larzyh.
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Just in case anyone is interested, here is what a real B12 looks like. [/QUOTE]Thank you for clarifying that with us. The car for sale is obviously just a tarted up 840Ci. |
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leon
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Larzyh, The wheels have been puzzling me too. The later E39 18" wheels had the valve hidden alright as you mentioned. The earlier E34 5 series 17" rims didnt. I have been looking at pictures of B12's and cant make out if the valve is hidden or not but it appears it is, so the rims may be fake too. I sent a mail off to the lads at ascars. Will see what reply I get Heres what I said to them.
Just in case anyone is interested, here is what a real B12 looks like. |
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larzyh
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And no red needles on blue dials! Is there even an Alpina dashboard plaque? Larzyh. |
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Larzyh.
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larzyh
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Do the visible valvestems not indicate replica wheels? As far as I know all genuine Alpina wheels have the valves in the hubs with an air canal in one of the spokes, no? £3500 for replica wheels! Interesting als, as an aside, that of all the weird and wonderful marques on the carzone menu, Alpina is not one of them despite status as an independent manufacturer. Larzyh. |
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Its one thing to have an M sport badge on a standard 3 series but your takin the piss trying to sell an 840 as a B12 ALPINA ! |
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635CSi
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Yes and post the reply you get back! |
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mbbaz
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That could have been the one I saw - going on the lad driving it would be no surprise if the turned out to be a fake ! Will someone send this lad an email and show him up selling a fake Alpina - info@ascars.ie |
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So is the 8 Series a genuine Alpina or not??
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leon
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Chris, must take you for a spin in the Bi-Turbo, I would be interested to see how it compares to the V8. I am getting a very slight exhaust blow from around the turbos so ordering up all the gaskets real soon but its still going strong. Yes the new B5 seems to be quite amazing. I would love to get a spin in one to see how it compares to the V10 M5, though the only way for it to be a fair comparison would be for Sabine to drive the B5 as the only V10 M5 I have been in was with Sabine around the ring!! |
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beemerchris
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Must be the V8 |
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beemerchris
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Nah think you are right on that. Also I never drove in a Biturbo I know the V8's the B7 I drove in Germany years ago was a monster of a car and even so the V8 engine is far lighter hence puts less wight on the nose of the car the turbo accelerates better plus in Alpina circles the BiTurbos and Turbo B7's are seen as the ultimate beemer. Might change so as the new B5 is an absolut animal (if you can live with the auto that is) |
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Ah beat me to it!!!
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1991 Alpina B10 Bi-Turbo
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leon
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Chris, Alpina actually put the 4.6 into the E34 as well though they are ultra rare. With the E34 B10, they made 45 saloons with the 4.0 V8 with 315bhp and 4 B10 4.0 V8 touring E34's also with 315bhp. But then towards the end of the E34's life between 94-96 they made 27 B10 4.6 V8 saloons and 10 tourings each with 340bhp. Still though the mac daddy of the E34's was the Bi-Turbo with 360bhp, though I would say that |
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beemerchris
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Just checked my notes and to be correct there where the following V8 made from Alpina:
HTH |
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beemerchris
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Leon you are right on the money B8 is 3 series with a 4.6 manual used a bored up v8 wich bmw later used in the x5 cause it was so good. The only other v8 was the B10 in 4.0 size in the e34 and later as 4.6 in the e39's IIRC no 7's They used a different engine cover and air intake that 840 even so a nice car isn't the real thing and hence overpriced. |
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