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M3sportEvo
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WHY??? what do you believe you would do that would make this event special?? whatever it is put it forward as we all are fully aware it MUST move on. |
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M3sportEvo
Groupie Joined: 29-September-2006 Location: derbyshire Status: Offline Points: 87 |
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is this an agreement with my comment above?? I still believe that a strong members voice is vital to the success of any organisation even if it does rub some up the wrong way SO LONG AS IT IS CONSTRUCTIVE NOT DAMAGING. ie how would two seperate clubs be better than one??
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
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I presume you are quoting me Steve.
I agree with with your point. however, teh reality of the situation is that the current club management will not have anyone disagree with them. Ask yourself why Howard Walker, who has done wonders for the club, and myself have been expelled from the club but given no adequate reason as to why. Why did a club member (and moderator on here) leave the club when he was bullied by the club chairman. The chairman sent this member a number of offensive emails because the member suspended his forum account for repeatedly breaking the rules. When I intervened the chairman told me that I should basically do as he says or he would 'shut down the forum with the flick of a switch'! Coincidentally it was around then the committee tried to take the forum from my direct control. |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
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Power struggles are always bloody - look at the Romans!
I'd like to see those emails made public on this forum - maybe then people could see "the true nature of the beast" So far, I've never seen a full & clear version of what went on. But back to the matter in hand - however you organise it Donington will always be a poor relation in the shadow of Gaydon unless you provide something different. No matter how much of a BMW fan you are, seeing the same cars in a shed just a few weeks after seeing them out in the sun is just a bit boring. The rolling road never made it to Gaydon - why not Donington then? Where were the BMW magazine people like BMW Car & PBMW? Not to mention the possible last shout of TBMW. It would have been nice to say thanks & good luck for the future. Where were the Polished Bliss people etc? This seems to be a growing area of interest but all I saw was the Meguiars stand & a few bottles of Zymol on the John Drake stand. We could have had demos of the products, how-to guides etc. Couldn't a local dealer have provided a display with the new 3-series coupe? With a race track right on the doorstep surely we could have had a couple of "Ring Taxi" M5's or 335's available between races? There's plenty that could have been done. It wasn't just the wives/girlfriends/etc that were walking around with faces like a smacked arse - it was everyone who'd been to Gaydon for 6 & had just paid nearly double that for an indoor carboot sale! |
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PaulS
Really Senior Member II East Anglia BMWCC Regional Chairman Joined: 03-July-2004 Location: Aylsham, Norfolk Status: Offline Points: 2516 |
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The new 3 series coupe was on display - it was in the region display as Mandy and Gareth (the EA region) managed to blag him a ticket in (and it was the 335i twin turbo!). He works for Carrs in Bury St Edmunds and will be joining the club Paul |
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M3sportEvo
Groupie Joined: 29-September-2006 Location: derbyshire Status: Offline Points: 87 |
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KB no offense intended and appreciate that you and several others seem to have strong personnal battles to which the majority of us members are un-aware of the full facts. However this is about Donington and some really positive thourghts are now coming through (andyS above) and the club should now be able to discuss/ consider these to improve next years show. The key seems to be to make it DIFFERENT from Gaydon rather than an indoor version. Possibly some ideas will come from classic show at NEC?? or those in other clubs?? BUT keep the ideas flowing. |
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Nigel
Moderator Group Joined: 09-November-2002 Status: Offline Points: 6941 |
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The pleasure is all mine Andy, I did make these public at the time : Nice one Nigel,
Banning the Chairman of the BMW Car Club from the BMW Car Club forum, and thinking you will get away with it! I like your optimism.
I have tried being polite with you in the past and I have given you probably too much of my precious time at meetings and events, on the phone etc but this takes the biscuit - you sad little man.
Now suffer the consequences of your pathetic actions.
Jeff Heywood
Chairman
BMW Car Club GB
Jeff I've suspended you again, now for an extra month for sending an insulting e-mail to a forum member. Nigel So, you are even more stupid than you look!!! Nigel, Now i am really hurt. Devastated (snigger). You have so much power and wield it with such force. What a guy.
Suspended from a forum that we, as a National Committee, decide whether it exists or not - nice. Great thinking. Even better choice to suspend a director, for what? Trying to gain some support for an event...
We all work hard to try and promote this club, but guys like yourself we can do without, trying petty ways to try and get back at me for having the temerity to correct you regarding cars for sale and your unofficial logo on the Central Region site - you are absolutely pathetic
These messages were sent to my family e-mail address, and read by my daughter, who alerted her mother.
Jeff had repeatedly broken the forum guidelines, in this case by posting the same subject in more than one forum, and despite being asked repeatedly to not do this, by several moderators, cut up badly when I suspended him from the forum
I'm guilty of the logo offence, on the then central region website (this was through ignorance, Scotland & Ireland can have slightly different logo's, as they are seperate countries England cannot, as it isn't a seperate country ?.....no I don't get it either, the offending logo was the car club logo with two flags beneath it, crossed, the St georges flag, and the Welsh Dragon.
The cars for sale section he refers to goes back to when Jeff first targeted Howard, club members were paying for web based adverts that didn't appear, they had sackd Howard, but were unable to update the for sale pages, so to help members, I created some on the central site.
Jeff didn't like this as firstly I knew they were taking money and not placing the adverts, and secondly I wasn't one of his cronies and hadn't asked his permission, I didn't actually need his permission at the time, so he changed the rules...which is when I stopped doing the central website.
I hope this makes things a little clearer for you.
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Nigel |
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Robmw
Really Senior Member I Joined: 29-August-2005 Location: Epping Status: Offline Points: 311 |
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Nigel,
Thanks for the insight. What people must not forget is that by their actions (the chairman and his gang) endangered the club, attempted to destroy this forum and could have laid the club open to expensive legal bills. They acted irresponsibly at best. Their judgment has proved to be flawed and I for one an growing very tired of the its not our fault syndrome. At Gay don the food was the fault of Gay don. Donnington the size of a hall is the fault of Donnington. The independent stall holders not turning up is the independent stall holders fault. Isnt it about time the people who are negotiating on behalf of the club, showed some teeth and overcame these types of problems after all there are enough venues up and down the country. I would like to know if the no shows paid up front for their stalls . For the future I would hope that there is an additional deposit charged that is only repaid when the stall holder turns up and displays or sells Money is being lost needlessly at the two biggest events of the year and the clubs lack of presence at other events is the costs. It is individuals efforts and goodwill that are being criminally wasted by the committee Regards Rob |
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Howard
Moderator Group Did I say thaaaat? Joined: 14-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 735 |
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Now that IS a great idea! Edited by Howard |
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Howard
Moderator Group Did I say thaaaat? Joined: 14-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 735 |
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[QUOTE=M3sportEvo]
the club is for the members and as in all cases IF strong reasoned points are put in a correct manner then they cannot be ignored and those at the helm must address and take notice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't you believe it for one minute. They kicked me and Killian out without telling us why, or offering us any chance to redeem ourselves. I was the guy who asked awkward questions about telling porkies to the membership, and the accuracy of the accounts. If you do anything that does not agree with the ideas of the current main leaders of the club, you are threatened with court action. So if you want to remain in a club that acts like something out of the Spanish Inquisition then fine. Personally I am better off outside. Edited by Howard |
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Rhys
Moderator Group Coffee addict... Joined: 02-February-2003 Location: from the Latin locātiō Status: Offline Points: 10053 |
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Thing is - is it possible to re-form the BMWDC? It would have to get recognition wouldn't it?
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Jeff Spangle
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Does it need recognition from outside.
Surely the purpose of such a club is to get like minded people together and THEY will recognise it. Why go looking for acceptance from others, if it is done properly which by all accounts the Drivers Club was, then that is enough. Isn't it? |
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Rhys
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Recognition from BMW as an official club? I expect you'd have to have recogniton to use the BMW name (trademark), or is this not so?
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Andyboy
Banned User Joined: 04-June-2003 Status: Offline Points: 707 |
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The BMWDC does still exist - the CC just bought the
membership list. Might be worth contacting Club Lotus (Mrs Arnold) to see what the position is regarding using the name. Whatever - something needs to be done. |
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Andyboy
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What a nice man. Howard - I assume you've taken this to BCE? |
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