Zaino v Zymol

You should see some links to my black sport evo. It would mark extremely easily. I used a detailer who uses Zymol, he came and washed the car and did a section of my bonnet and decided that he couldn't help. Alot of money was wasted here. Also the section he Zymol'd looked nice - for a day! Then the finish was NO different to the rest of the bonnet. This was a VERY expensive Zymol wax which was applied by hand. It was EXTREMELY disappointing!

John (C76JON) was my last chance before I decided to just sell the car. He came and did his stuff, used the Zaino products and the car stayed the same as he left it for 4 months until I decided to wash the car, and treat it with some more zaino wax. It it truely amazing stuff. Used in conjunction with a Porter Cable and microfibre cloths, it is unbeatable.

I would suggest you pm John and ask his advice. He has tried them all and some!

Hope this helps.

zaino all the pictures ive seen look amazing. C76jon will tell you all you need to know about it

That is one amazing bonnet !

I use Zymol titanium wax and meguiars polish, but only after Zymol cleanse all applied with clean microfibres. Seems to work pretty good for me, but will have to save up and try Zaino.

The only point i would make, and i accept i am probably a relative novice, is that i find that you can get away with using a lot less of most products than people do and still get good or better results.  So i wouldn't say this was a positive reason to use Zaino.  If it genuinely produces better results that also last longer then that is a reason to buy it.

Jon - you'll note I didn't quite say that it doesn't matter. What I did say is that it doesn't matter as much. Again, every product has its merits and it all comes down to personal preference. Some prefer the natural carnauba glow; some the clarity of synthetics; and some like a more wet appearance.

More importantly, and it's something you touched on briefly, is that some products are easier to apply (in both cold and direct sun), some have greater longevity, and some just smell nice

And yes, I've tried them all! Just one of the perks of working for a car mag and getting lots of free stuff from all the different manufacturers I guess

As to whether I can show you a product from Meguiars that can better the picture you showed me? It's irrelevant and pointless really because photos are open to interpretation. Remember, a camera only ever shows you what it wants to (depending on lighting, the camera itself etc).

Your car does look good though and you've obviously found something that works for you. Whether you think that product is 'right' for someone else with different needs/goals is a matter of opinion.

Remember 'the best' can be very subjective. I could show you past girlfriends who I thought were 'the best' looking girls on the planet. However, my closest mates might tell me differently


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Nick, The Porter cable is one of the reasons my paint finish looks soo good. The bodyshop who painted the car used thier usual buffer and products to get rid of the scratches which appeared 2 weeks after it was finished. Basically the glaze they used lasted 2 weeks and all the imperfections shon out like sore thumbs. They buffed and polished it again, but in direct sunlight the car looked a dog. Its only the zaino products, porter cable and microfires which have kept the swirl marks away. I use the porter cable to apply the wax/polish and rub off with the microfibre cloths. Also there is never any residue either. When I wash the car now, the water literally falls off the paint. It hardly needs drying once rinsed off.

Did you see my car in the direct sunlight Nick, if so, did you see any swirls?

I too use Zymol. The good stuff, not that cheap crap from Halfords!

A 'glaze' is the same as a wax. The Zymol pre-wax product called HD-Cleanse does all the hard work, involved in removing dead paint, swirls, tar etc etc. The wax then adds a natural looking deep shine that looks like you can dive into it, and adds a layer of protection over the car. This inturn means that when you wash the car next time it will look as good as it did when you first waxed it.

Personally I prefer the look that Zymol gives, as IMO it looks more natural. True the Zaino finish is amazing, but again IMO a little overcooked. If you are serious into detailing then fair enough, but I enjoy driving my car, and if it gets dirty then so be it. I wouldnt want to spend another full day re-applying the long list of products. What I wanted from a product was ease of use, and longevity, which I whole heartadly believe Zymol gives you. It is expensive but it does last a long time.

No disrespect to Jon, but I have seen write ups on Zaino before. The prepping list of products was huge! Pre-wax, then an additive, then something else, then the polish etc etc... For me I cant see any 'ease of use' with these, as you have to put so many products on. Maybe they last a really long time I dont know.

For my personal needs I am very happy with Zymol (Titanium Wax -specifically developed for SUVs, as it keeps tar and bugs off. Works best out of the 'affordable waxes'. And know I dont have a SUV!). It gives great performance, without being a pain in time and effort to apply.

srdenny wrote: I too use Zymol. The good stuff, not that cheap crap from Halfords! A 'glaze' is the same as a wax. The Zymol pre-wax product called HD-Cleanse does all the hard work, involved in removing dead paint, swirls, tar etc etc. The wax then adds a natural looking deep shine that looks like you can dive into it, and adds a layer of protection over the car. This inturn means that when you wash the car next time it will look as good as it did when you first waxed it. Personally I prefer the look that Zymol gives, as IMO it looks more natural. True the Zaino finish is amazing, but again IMO a little overcooked. If you are serious into detailing then fair enough, but I enjoy driving my car, and if it gets dirty then so be it. I wouldnt want to spend another full day re-applying the long list of products. What I wanted from a product was ease of use, and longevity, which I whole heartadly believe Zymol gives you. It is expensive but it does last a long time. No disrespect to Jon, but I have seen write ups on Zaino before. The prepping list of products was huge! Pre-wax, then an additive, then something else, then the polish etc etc... For me I cant see any 'ease of use' with these, as you have to put so many products on. Maybe they last a really long time I dont know. For my personal needs I am very happy with Zymol (Titanium Wax -specifically developed for SUVs, as it keeps tar and bugs off. Works best out of the 'affordable waxes'. And know I dont have a SUV!). It gives great performance, without being a pain in time and effort to apply.

wax does not give good protection

it deterioates from moment of application

rain and sun and washing speed up that process

no matter what zymol product

no matter what wax it does not last 

to use zaino for first time you need 3 products

a swirl remover/cleanser (which hd cleanse claims to be but its very poor at swirl removing )

z1 which is applied very thin and left on the panel then either z2 pro or z3 then buff off

there is so much disinformation about zaino its unreal

if you use the zfx additive in witrh your z2 or z3 you can miss out the z1 altogether so in fact only two applications are then needed which in fact is no more than zymol

the time and work in paintwork is the prep before top coats are applied

this is the same no matter which  end products you use.hd cleanse by zymol is nowhere near a good enough performing product for most prep applications

yes maybe on relatively new paint but as far as removing swirls its a poor performer.its for removing very light oxidisation but mainly acts to remove previous products used on paint so thr zymol wax has a clean surface to attatch to.

unfortunately too many people believe the hype.zymol is a quality product and will give good finish but i only really include some of their waxes in that statement and as already stated nothing that is sold at halfords!

to get zymol to give better performance you are far better off using a prep product from 3M,Sonus,optimum,poor boys,professional meguiars range , menzerna,einzette or zaino zpc

many of these products are never ever mentioned in magazines etc but are what are used by some of the worlds best detailers

they are not expensive and can be had on average for about 13 quid

nearly half that of zymol hd cleanse

put a tub of zymol or any wax out in the sun for a few hours and tell me what happens

thats exactly whats happening to it whilst on the panel

wax is not in any form by any manufacturer durable

and by this i mean true wax with carnuaba content

john

 

 

 

 

 

I have never really got into 'detailing' although like many, do like to clean/polish my vehicles.

Whatever your personal experience regarding products, I for one am enjoying the arguments and information being put forward here and am keen to try Zaino.

Auto Glym. I am no expert but I don't like the stuff to be honest.( It is worth noting that according to thier website they have a Retail Range and a Professional Range......) I dont find that the polish lasts that long and the glass polish is messy to apply. (It has to be said though, that the Vinyl and Rubber care is great for the engine bay)

May the discussion continue........

Zaino gets my vote!!

After C76Jon prepped my car and applied Zaino, I have applied about another 4 or 5 applications of Z2pro and the shine has got deeper and deeper.

Water just runs off the car when I wash it now and using good microfibre has made sure that no swirls have been put into the paint.

My car has never been sprayed and the finish turns heads. Had lots of positive comments from Joe public!!

That's one thing about left hand drive, you can have conversations with other drivers when you are stuck in traffic jams!

 

 

 

to have exactly the finish you had the moment you finished applying it

i would quite confidently say that 7-9 months is well achievable

like you say its a hard thing to actually predict due to differing conditions etc but this would be an average to worst case scenario

 

john