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DavesOldBMs
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Topic: Sad E3 on eBay - Do you feel lucky? Posted: 02-May-2006 at 03:29 |
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Its just a hobby, doen't seem like a proper weekend unless I get covered in oil. I ma going to keep the E3 Goldfinger, it will be a slightly lighter colour as the original paint was. Its also got a full length webasto roof which will be interesting to remove and repair. I do have quite a few E9,E12 and E3 spares but at the moment they are all over the place so I don't know what I am keeping and what I am selling. I will get round to sorting them out at some point.
Cheers Dave
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Daxklynsmith
Senior Member II Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 232 |
Posted: 01-May-2006 at 15:39 | |
Dave, you are a Brave man or you are addicted to the smell of Iron Oxide and welding Wow!! Thats going to to be something, are you keeping the Goldfinger look? the Donor 2500 actually looks good, which reminds me,you asked in an earlier email what I would be looking for re the E9, if you come across them, RHS front bumper section, possibly a reasonable boot lid and and interior when can afford them Be well and happy welding
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DavesOldBMs
Newbie Joined: 28-February-2006 Status: Offline Points: 18 |
Posted: 01-May-2006 at 14:55 | |
I've put a few pics of my restoration so far of the E3 on my website if you want to look.
Cheers Dave
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Drew540i
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Posted: 28-April-2006 at 18:22 | |
Not at all. The early ones up until 1976 were all carburettor, only the late ones from mid '76 having the 3210cc 633CSi engine with Bosch L Jet when the 3.0Si also went from D to L Jetronic. Those earlier ones were a weird engine, 3299cc which was a 3 litre Carb engine but with a very long stroke crank. In Europe you could also get a 2.8L and a 3.0L, both with carbs only. |
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DavesOldBMs
Newbie Joined: 28-February-2006 Status: Offline Points: 18 |
Posted: 28-April-2006 at 12:26 | |
I will definately be documenting the E3 resto. I have started it earlier this year with most of the welding done but the E12 cam up so I decided to do that first as it is less involved.
Cheers Dave |
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Daxklynsmith
Senior Member II Joined: 15-October-2003 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 232 |
Posted: 28-April-2006 at 10:59 | |
@ Drew, LSD is fine but both my 73 and 69 E9's have LSD's The Wrecked E3 was a carbed version which suprised me as I thought all L versions were FI,Fortunately, I've kept the relevant bits ,3.3 motor, LSD,Power steering, starter motor a a host of small odds and sods,Think I commented to Sam that classic car buffs are Gannets and hoarders!!
Once I've solved all the mechanical and electrical "improvements" inherited from PO's,had the E9 resprayed,tidied up the E24,then a E3 is on the wish list but figure thats about 2 years down the road. Unless the proverbial widow pops up with a pristine dark Blue,tan leather 3.0 Si to get me into more hot water with the wife. @Dave, hope you will be documenting the on going resto as well as you did for the CSl? |
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Dax Klynsmith
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DavesOldBMs
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Posted: 28-April-2006 at 08:09 | |
The PGN is not too bad it would need some welding on the sills and repairs of doors and bonnet. The wings on it are excellent which are what I need for my 3.0SI. It is a shame to break it but the SI is a much rarer car so if I have to save one it has to be that. Can't keep all the cars unfortunately as when I have done the E12 I will have to sell my E24.
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DavesOldBMs
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Posted: 28-April-2006 at 08:02 | |
That was definately passed saving.
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Drew540i
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Posted: 28-April-2006 at 08:02 | |
Not really. CSL's are very undervalued. I sold my orange one for £8250 which was a very tidy and up together example in Inca orange with all the correct bits and matching numbers. Nigel Moseley sold his for £15'000 which is absolutely perfect follwing a very serious restoration. £9000 will buy a very decent CSL - not concours but nice. How bad is PGN 33L? I remember the ad on Ebay and it didn't look a bad car. For the sake of dropping an engine in (£50-100 from an old E28 525i) it would be a pity to scrap another one. If you have the room (a key factor!) it would be worth keeping it in once piece. I wish now that I'd spent a month of evenings properly rebuilding mine, ho hum. |
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Drew540i
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Posted: 28-April-2006 at 07:55 | |
Man that was rotten!! Interestingly, another
Ruby/Granite red example. Jerry and Graham Lynch have a 3.3Li each, same colour. Those early 3.3 L Jet motors are a fine base for a CSL engine rebuild. Might even have an LSD as well - did you check or remove it? |
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Daxklynsmith
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Posted: 28-April-2006 at 05:57 | |
Not sure if the pic came out http://www.bmwcarclubireland.com/gallery/displayimage.php?al bum=133&pos=4
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Dax Klynsmith
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Daxklynsmith
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Posted: 28-April-2006 at 05:56 | |
As I am in the midst of my 73 3.0 CS resto I can so relate. I love the old E3's too and picked up a 3.3 LA in the literal backyard of a local garage down here in Galway, alas, too far gone to restore and have stripped off that which I and other friends could use on their E3 restorations. Such a pity!!
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DavesOldBMs
Newbie Joined: 28-February-2006 Status: Offline Points: 18 |
Posted: 28-April-2006 at 05:11 | |
I agree that it is not the best CS in the country but I do feel they are underpriced compared to what some of the classic Jags and Mercs fetch. The CSL for £9000 sounds a bergin as they usually fetch over that. Its funny you mention the E3 2500 PGN33L as I have got that, basically for spares as the engine is seized. The 3.3 would be a big restoration and would cost more to restore then you can buy one for (I know this with my E9). However finding a 3.3LIA would be difficult. Also you should restore a car as a hobby and for the enjoyment not to make money and at the end of the day you can have a car exactly as you want it.
Well my E3 3.0SI will start to be restored later this year when I have finished the E12 M535 I am working on at the moment.
Cheers Dave www.m535i.co.uk |
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Drew540i
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Posted: 27-April-2006 at 16:21 | |
Best in the country my ****!
NO WAY is that a 9 grand car! Wrong colour, horrible wheels, red calipers, alcantara retrim [:Thumbs Down_I:] plus a horrible engine bay - what's all that matt black paint about? In the pics it looks like £3000 worth no matter how nice it is. Sorry, but £9000 buys a very decent CSL and a much nicer CS Coupe than that. For example the Turkis green CSi of Graham Lynch (BMW38L) was what I would call a proper example - concours winning, perfect condition and original spec and colour. That sold for £9000 and is the best one I've ever seen (and I've seen lots!) |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 27-April-2006 at 16:17 | |
I must admit, I subscribe to Drews point of view - older BMW's are much more desirable & interesting than the modern stuff.
Whilst without doubt an E90 3-series is much more user friendly than an E30 it just doesn't grab the heart like the older model. Same with the E34/E39. When people all over the country are sweating over saving common-as-muck MGB's it seems a travesty that fine old cars like E3's are viewed as landfill. I keep promising myself I'll do a welding course at nightclass & save myself a CS coupe! |
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PaulS
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Posted: 27-April-2006 at 12:16 | |
I quite agree Andy, and stand corrected! I absolutely love it and wish I had that sort of money. Looks like the reserve is about £10K-11K as it's at £9300 not met reserve. Paul |
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Drew540i
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Posted: 27-April-2006 at 11:41 | |
You HERO!! I'm glad somebody is! I had a 3.0S saloon about 6 years ago, in that lovely metallic Tundra green that looks a bit like Boston or Oxford green. I bought it for £100 from the estate of the one and only owner, a Farmer from Oop North. The registration was PGN 34L and there is another 2500 doing the rounds which is PGN33L - it turns out that BMW UK in Brentwood registered a whole batch of 'PGN-L' cars together. Condition wise mine was a bit grim although it looked mint from 10 feet. The interior (dark tan leather) was absolutely perfect because it had woolly seat covers and floor mats from new. It also had a complete new BMW exhaust and had been fitted with new wings 2 years before. Sadly though the MOT welding to which the poor thing had been subjected was shocking - just welding over the rust. As a result even the patches were rotting - I just *cough*cough* fibreglassed over the worst bits, gave the underside a good coating of underseal and scraped it through an MOT. I also replaced the steel and flexy brake pipes and freed off the calipers and thanks to free road tax (the car was built in November 1972) I used it through the summer of 2000 and went on holiday in Newquay with it. It had only done 60'000 miles so the engine and running gear were perfect. It drove like a fast Mark 1 Granada but with vastly better build quality. I sold it in 2000 for £350 to a bloke in Reading who wanted the wings and interior for a structurally good but scruffy example. Sadly it was too rotten underneath to save. I still have the original rear number plate! If anyone here should own it, the plate is yours! |
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Drew540i
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Posted: 27-April-2006 at 11:27 | |
About 20% of what you'd pay to have it restored. Sadly the E3 is not worth very much and at £200 it's probably too expensive to get a bid - 100 quid would be nearer the mark. An absolute minter might make £5000 on a good day. A VERY good day. As for restoration - this is something to do DIY and expect to take 4-5 years and at least £3000 in parts. You will never make money but what a car to end up with! It's either Granite red or Ruby red. For and engine, chuck the old 3210cc unit in the skip if it's no good and install a nice E34 535i engine. I expect the inner wings and sills/floor are all rotten, and you'll probably have to repair the rusty bits you can't readily replace. This is really a source of spares for another one or a braaaave restoration. But it is a real shame to see one like this - the E3's were such a great car and a lot better than the big ugly shed that BMW replaced it with. |
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DavesOldBMs
Newbie Joined: 28-February-2006 Status: Offline Points: 18 |
Posted: 27-April-2006 at 06:19 | |
The 3.3LIA is a very nice drive as I nearly bought one last year but the owner decided not to sell. They are quite a rare version of the E3 and definately worth saving. I have a 3.0SI which I am currently restoring that was standing for the same amount of time as this car. Its hard to say what they are worth as not many come up for sale. It the advert it states that the engine turns which means it can easily be saved. Also they are not Alpina wheels on the car although they do look similar. Cheers Dave |
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AndyS
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Posted: 26-April-2006 at 19:59 | |
In that condition? Don't think so - not when tidy but not immaculate ones go for £5k. Take in to account how much you'd need to spend to get a car up to that state. A new engine is £2500 & the rest! CSL's fetch more than CSI's but stuff the race heritage bull, I'd rather have a minter like that CSI. Wish I had a double garage! |
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