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    Posted: 10-February-2006 at 17:37

.....and I'm feeling very ****ed off about it!

On the way to work today it suddenly dropped onto 3 cylinders, called the RAC out who originally diagnosed a duff plug, but when we swapped them around No:3 still didn't work, so off it went on the back of a recovery truck to Steve Rowley.....

Who confirmed there was no compression on that cylinder so  started to pull it apart,

and found that the inlet valve spring had broken, which had stuck open ( and probably caused some damage to the piston), which in turn meant that the shim fell off, and got caught by the camshaft (which is ***ed!) and chewed up the cam-carrier (which is also now ***ed!) Also the broken spring has gouged a hole in the head - so that is ***ed as well

the opinion I am now being given is that it is not worth pulling it apart anymore - as the parts broken so far are in the region of £800-£900 but I should bite the bullet and replace with another engine.

My very good (but not that cheap!) friend Nigel M has a few engines starting at £2K (and rising to G*d knows for his xDTM!) , BUT......

is there anyone out there with any suggestions, or an engine????

PLEASE Help, I'm obviously now driving the E30 318is for awhile, but much as I love it .......................

 

I Want My M3 Back.................

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2006 at 18:08

Boo-Hoo-Boo - what no posts??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2006 at 05:20
I'm afraid all I can offer is my sympathy!

Hope you can get it sorted. Isn't someone on here breaking a whole engine? may be worth a look.

All the best.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2006 at 05:29
sorry to hear of your woes boss . but look on the bright side - how about a 2.5 conversion??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2006 at 05:50
Simon, Sorry to hear this. What revs where you doing when you lost power?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2006 at 07:40

Originally posted by kevin kevin wrote:

Simon, Sorry to hear this. What revs where you doing when you lost power?

Aha - another one accusing me of over-revving her!

Well I wasn't see! I had just gone round a roundabout, and was accelerating onto a dual carriageway, and about to go from 3rd to 4th at no more that 4500, when it went bleah!

I was in no hurry - I was on the way TO work after all !!  

The real question is - is it really worth spending about £2K (at least) on a 19 year old car valued at £6K ??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2006 at 08:06
Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Aha - another one accusing me of over-revving her!
Simon, I appreciate that you are feeling a bit sensitive at the moment but I can't see where/how I was "accusing" you of anything. I was just hoping we all might be able to learn from your unfortunate experience.

Where they able to determine what failed first and what caused it to fail?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2006 at 08:35

Originally posted by kevin kevin wrote:

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Aha - another one accusing me of over-revving her!
Simon, I appreciate that you are feeling a bit sensitive at the moment but I can't see where/how I was "accusing" you of anything. I was just hoping we all might be able to learn from your unfortunate experience. Where they able to determine what failed first and what caused it to fail?

It was a Joke Kevin, a Joke -   No malice meant - sorry.

"What failed First?" I've not actually seen the mess yet, so I'm working on what Steve has told me. He suspects the spring failed - after all it was probably 19 years old as I have no record of any engine work having been done. Possibly the car had been over-revved sometime in its past, even if they are meant to go to 7K(ish), and it just decided to let go at that moment .

I suppose I should have switched off at that point instead of going into 'limp-work' mode, but I'm being told that all the damage would have already have taken place, so I didn't make it anymore expensive by not breaking down, in the cold, on the slow lane of a dual-carriageway!  

On a better note, there is a possibility of a (cheaper than Nigel M) replacement engine via the the forum   - so watch this post!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2006 at 12:09
sorry to hear about this - have you decided on what you re going to do?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-February-2006 at 14:39

Originally posted by kbannon kbannon wrote:

sorry to hear about this - have you decided on what you re going to do?

What can I do?

She's worth **** all in it's present state - unless someone wants to make me a reasonable offer?

So what choice do I have other than find some money, find an engine, and get her back on the road I suppose!  

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-February-2006 at 06:23
Its not about values.. or no one would be running an old M3.
It's about love..
If you can afford to then get it fixed up.. I would personally go for a rebuild rather than a replacement.
.. and if you can really afford to..
Put the cheapest replacement engine in you can find so that you can still use the car while the original engine is done at leisure to the spec you want.. then swap the engines around again and sell on the other one.. it wont lose any money.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-February-2006 at 08:11

Originally posted by Nick Nick wrote:

Its not about values.. or no one would be running an old M3. It's about love.. If you can afford to then get it fixed up.. I would personally go for a rebuild rather than a replacement. .. and if you can really afford to.. Put the cheapest replacement engine in you can find so that you can still use the car while the original engine is done at leisure to the spec you want.. then swap the engines around again and sell on the other one.. it wont lose any money. Nick

Of course you are right Nick, no-one in their right minds would drive around in a 19 year old car except for love.

Looks like I will have to find the replacement, but as far as rebuilding the other one? I was thinking of stripping it and selling on the the unknacked parts - i.e. the bottom bit!

I'm told the rods could fetch £50 each, and the crank £250, so could get something back from this disaster!

(goes off singing "always look on the bright side of life, de-dum, de-dum-de-dum-de-dum....)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-February-2006 at 09:18

Thanks to those who have PM'd me with offers of help!

Although my wallet says forget her and move on, my heart says fix her and get back on the road.

So...... I'm in the market for an engine - any out there??

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-February-2006 at 07:14

OK - I've looked at the damage for myself now - and wished I hadn't!

here's the culprit -

  

so the shim fell out and did this to the camcarrier -

 and this

and this to the head -

Also the inlet cam shows damage to the lobe.**

The valve stem is well bent, but there doesn't seem to be any damage to the piston.

Never-the-less at the very least it's a complete top end

**Someone said that on these early motors the Inlet & Exhaust Cams are the same and interchangeable? Is this true?

I might just replace the topend

if I can't get a replacement engine at a reasonable price

or does anyone know someone who could repair the damage??

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-February-2006 at 08:12
you can put any head on you bottom end. Everything fit's, regardless what year or engine.
But better stuck with the 195 head and the rest, will be much cheaper.
But you still want to have a look at the bores and rod bearings etc.
It won't be cheap, but if you spend the money wisely you will have a decent engine afterwards.
Better spending £1.5k on a half re-build thna £1 on a cheap replacement engine without knowing the history.
I have 4 used pistons I would give you for veeeery little money if you need some.

Whatever you decide to do DO NOT THROW THE OLD PARTS IN THE BIN!!! Even if they broken. I know someone how is desperate to chop a broken bottom end in halfs.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-February-2006 at 11:13

Hello,

I have a complete rebuilt top end (Sept '87 build) sitting on the shelf.  Valves, springs, cams, cam carrier etc all included for £950.  All machine work and pressure testing accomplished by Ivor Searle of Sohem.  I can lap in the valves and assemble the head so it would be drop in.  If your interested I can send pics.  Installation can be arranged as well.  £1400 all inclusive (head gasket, o-rings, hardware, coolant, head bolts, labor).  New throttle body gasket spacers not included.

Something to consider though, installing a rebuilt top end on a tired bottom end can result in oil being pulled past the rings.

Hope this helps,

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-February-2006 at 11:26

Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

Whatever you decide to do DO NOT THROW THE OLD PARTS IN THE BIN!!! Even if they broken. I know someone how is desperate to chop a broken bottom end in halfs.....

Uwe, I have no intention of throwing any of it away!

(I think even the head & cam-carrier could be salvaged by a little - expert! - welding)

I've found out what my "left over bits" will be worth, so will obviously try to reclaim as much as possible against the rebuild costs.

p.s. JAKE - Thanks for the offer/info - I'll keep in touch.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-February-2006 at 16:33

What!

No more offers of help!!

Where's all those E30 M3 engines when you need them???

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-February-2006 at 16:54
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     I know of a 215 engine for sale , i,ll PM you the contact details ..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-February-2006 at 17:25

Originally posted by grant w grant w wrote:

Simon, I know of a 215 engine for sale , I'll PM you the contact details ..

Grant - thanks for the lead - unfortunately that one has gone , never mind, he's asking around for me as well.

Any more offers, anyone??????????

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