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Jake
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 17:53 |
Thanks Kevin and rr_ww. Makes sense now.
Jake
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kevin
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 11:21 |
Mine had a Scorpion on it when I bought it and within 10 miles I would
have a splitting headache, so I opted for the Milltek. The mechanic who
fitted it commented that it freed the engine up compared to the
Scorpion.
As Rich said in an earlier post everybody has a view on exhausts and
many still favour the original mild steel system and are concerned that
the buzzy S14 does stainless steel items no favours. Having said that I
will stick with my Milltek.
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Kevin
'04 E46 330Ci Convertible
'08 E61 535d Touring (TorqueMeister Towbarge)
’95 E34 M5
’89 E30 M3 (Cecotto)
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rr_ww
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 11:10 |
kevin wrote:
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Great minds...
Danny
The Scorpion is said to give
a) A very harsh sound
b) Be too restictive
A real case of more noise less performance. Its also not meant to be that well built. In terms of welds and materials etc
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Dannyboy
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 11:10 |
I have a scorpion on mine but I have never driven a standard one. What
issues do you have with the scorpion system?
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kevin
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 11:08 |
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Kevin
'04 E46 330Ci Convertible
'08 E61 535d Touring (TorqueMeister Towbarge)
’95 E34 M5
’89 E30 M3 (Cecotto)
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rr_ww
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 11:07 |
Between the upright thats between the 2 tailpipes and the rubber mount on the car.
Something like this
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kevin
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 11:03 |
Rich, I too "shimmed" mine to get to fit central at the back.
Jake, my shims are washers on the final hanger to angle it straight.
Dave, I surprised the 1st (centre) box went having seen the extra supports they have added.
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Kevin
'04 E46 330Ci Convertible
'08 E61 535d Touring (TorqueMeister Towbarge)
’95 E34 M5
’89 E30 M3 (Cecotto)
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Jake
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 10:43 |
rr_ww,
How do you mean you shimmed it? Where did you put the shims?
Cheers,
Jake
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215DMX
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 09:18 |
Kevin, havn't taken any pics yet will do though. It's the
centre silencer, at the back where the new support
is.
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rr_ww
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 09:10 |
Some time ago, I required a new system. I looked at the SuperSprint Race one, but decided against it as it was said to be very noisy. And the regular Supersprint road one is NOT stainless. Heard the stories about the Scorpion. So didn't want that. Didn't want a OEM one due to the cost. And didn't want a "Powerflow/Longlife item" as they generally use low quality materials which end up failing.
I chose a Milltek. Was a complete nightmare to get hold of. Rang virtually every supplier in the UK, Including Thorney and West Tuning (who don't answer their phones it seems) and only Powerstation had one. Turned up next day, but they'd forgotten the gaskets which they sent to me overnight. So not bad rectification. Fitting was a little fraught. I'd heard the tales of it sitting too far to the left in the rear bumper cut out and assumed that was down to the person who fitted it. But it's true. The shape of the pipe that goes from the front (centre) box to the rear box doesnt have the correct angle/length on it. Its only a little bit, but its enough to mean that the tailpipes will strike the bumper. I had to shim it across with about 5-10mm of washers till I was happy. (see pic)
As you can see it still sits to the left, but at least it doesn't hit on the bumper now. Also on the fitting side the bolts supplied for the front section to the manifold are too short to get any more than 2-3 threads into the nuts. So I used BMW items.
Regarding clearence, my car is standard height, so I've had no issues with that. And on the plus side having a single large bore pipe running down the car completely irradicates the resonance a twin pipe system generates around the 3k mark. The sound is also much bassier, but not excessively loud. Which I prefer. I would say that from the "ar5e test" that it feels more restrictive that the monkey Longlife system I had before. Which is a bit disappointing. But I can't back that with any actual back to back figures.
Overall, I'm not sure I an recommend any of the above exhausts over each other. They all have their faults*. Be that fragility, loudness, or poor fitment. Its down to how much you can live with each issue.
* Diverting slightly. In fairness that seems to be the case with M3 ownership. There is either not the parts you need or the specialists/tuners are not all that good and stuck in their ways. (eg. Its Alpha N or nothing. Its a certain combination of Cams or nothing. Or my personal favorite "they all do that, theres nothing you can do") Some fresh and original thinking to old problems would be a great benefit to all concerned. (but thats for another thread perhaps )
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Houlbt
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 08:37 |
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But I don't know why you took that Group N off a track focused car. The Group N might not have had the lovely twin pipe exit but it's the best performance wise, weight wise and imho sound wise - that was why it was on there ;)
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Matt T
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 07:32 |
I dont want a system that is low, as my scorpoin already grounds out over bumps.!
Any other ideas?
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piers66
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 07:28 |
From postings in the States it seems the early race Supersprint systems were almost bound to fail at hanger - unless car only used for trackwork would not recommend race system.
My experience of Miltek is that centre box is too low which means it will ground on speed humps/ yumpy roads and leads to premature failure (mine's been welded once). Maybe design has been modified since?
What about systems advertised on s14.de?
I'd probably revert to OEM next time...
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kevin
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 05:06 |
Dave,
Which silencer was it 1st or 2nd and did you take any photos of the split?
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Kevin
'04 E46 330Ci Convertible
'08 E61 535d Touring (TorqueMeister Towbarge)
’95 E34 M5
’89 E30 M3 (Cecotto)
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215DMX
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Posted: 12-February-2006 at 05:01 |
Kevin /Brian to let you know mine was the NEW
version, not the older one. The actual metal had split
originally thought it was the weld but once oit was off
the car you could see the splits. I have grounded a
few times quite how much this would have to do with
it I don't know.
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kevin
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Posted: 11-February-2006 at 15:04 |
Matt
Milltek have completely reworked the box and they are not aware of any
issues since....to their credit they sorted any problems without
hesitation.
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Kevin
'04 E46 330Ci Convertible
'08 E61 535d Touring (TorqueMeister Towbarge)
’95 E34 M5
’89 E30 M3 (Cecotto)
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Matt T
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Posted: 11-February-2006 at 14:59 |
I think i had a look on the site last night, and quickly closed the browser when i saw the price! You would think that selling a system for half a grand it would at least be reliable and good quality. Are there any other decent centre sections? Preferably SS.
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Jake
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Posted: 11-February-2006 at 14:56 |
I can't for the life of me remember what those BTB kits go for.
Jake
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texas2201
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Posted: 11-February-2006 at 14:22 |
I had a SS one fitted about 2 years ago by Lifetime near Bristol - tuned to 95.6Db sounds lovely no problems whatsever
about 5 trips to the Ring and dozens of trackdays
Martin
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BMG M3
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Posted: 11-February-2006 at 14:08 |
The Miltek centre section seems prone to split the centre box on the first version.They do offer a no quibble replacement of a new and improved design though.Ask me how I know.....
www.motorsportworld.co.uk have the Miltek for £439.92 inc VAT,plus Delivery £14.10 .Moseley Motorsport want £495+VAT+delivery .Oh dear.......
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