Penalty points

Mike Fishwick wrote: I'm glad I live in France, with a French licence.

I'm glad I live in France with an English licence - the rules have been changed and you no longer have to change you licence within 12 months if you have a European licenece already.

@ livvy :- but what is too far ? do i smack him once & send him on his way " you naughty scallywag be off with you " ? or do as i did & knock him out for destroying my ( hard earned ) property that he had no right to tamper with in the first place ? Anyway had my "kindly neabour " not called the police no one would have known what had gone on & he might think again about doing it to some other poor person ? Do you think he would have gone to the local police station to report me ? " and why did this gentleman assault you ? "   " well you see man i was trying to nick his C.D. player from his car that i had just broken into & he comes out the house like a man demented & knocks me into next week "

Rough justice me thinks after all if he hadn't done my car he would still have his " debonair " good looks & not needed 5 stitches to a cut above his eye & a burst nose !! 

livvy wrote: I'm sorry shorty........ But it is not up to you to meet out a bit of summary justice. You can only use such force as is reasonable, necessary & within the law. You can't simply exact whatever revenge you see fit.

Oh come on livvy, that's a load of horse wotsit and you know it.

I'm entirely with shorty, if I caught some thieving little toerag putting in my car window, which I have worked very hard to afford, I would not hesitate in dragging him out of the car and rendering him unconscious. So what was shorty to do then? What does the law allow? Reasonable force?! The guy had a screwdriver - shorty says 'excuse me old chap, I wonder if you'd mind awfully getting out of my car?', so guy gets out and stabs him with screwdriver. Result - murder. Shorty was right.

In my eyes, someone who breaks into your property has stepped outside the law, and so by doing that they lose any rights they had. I think the owners of such property should be allowed to take whatever steps are necessary to restrain the criminal with their own safety being the #1 priority. If someone broke into my house in the dead of night, my first though would be for my family not my possessions, and as such I would take suitable steps to keep such a person away from them. If that involved knocking them unconscious and tying them up, then that is what I would do. And I make no apologies for that.    

Nigel wrote: The public ignore them, insurance companies ignore them (in my experience), and now magistrates ignore them lol http://www.itvregions.com/Granada/News/Driver+keeps+licence+ despite+31+penalty+points.htm

Wish the insurance people had ignored mine Nigel , rise of £350 for my points !!!!!

whitey wrote: Well they should do.... thieving scum.

Agreed! If some hood broke into my house, I'd like to think he would be sent to the slammer for a couple of years, not allowed to come back the following night for another go. Now of course, I could avoid seeing him the next night by defending my property and rendering him unconscious - then I'd get to spend the next night in jail! Problem solved.

Doive wrote: I heard today that first time burglars who are caught don't get custodial sentences, just a caution. So if you want to avoid jail, try a bit of thievery - but make sure the getaway car has all the documents with it.

You won't of course go to jail for document offences either. I can't remember a time in my life time that first time burglars would ever get a custodial sentence.

Fushion Julz wrote: And you wonder why people have a disregard for the "law"...Actually, it's worse, because laws like this devalue laws with genuine merit. People grow up despising the police (for enforcing the meaningless laws) and the government (for creating them). Then they become the lawless in society. Increasingly, though, those lawless folk are what, in a recent past time, would have been the law-abiding, honest majority.

So you don't think that people should have to have a driving licence, insurance or MOT etc & have to produce it when required by a Police officer ?

Is that what you are saying ?

Because if we do have to do those things, there will be laws to enforce it & prosecutions where the law isn't complied with.

Peter Fenwick wrote: livvy wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: There will be no escaping the punitive measures of the state. Don't commit the crime of course. If the government made it illegal to use websites like this that talked about speed cameras in a not too positive light, would we deserve punishment for doing so?

Peter

I've said before that we voted the government in a we give them the power to introduce laws over us as part of their governance.

Where they do that & it is totally at odds to the general publics view at large they can expect revolution.

I don't see revolution coming over the current proposals with speed limits or ANPR cameras, but it could happen with your website suggestion, so as such I can't see that happening.

Fushion Julz wrote: livvy wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: There will be no escaping the punitive measures of the state. Don't commit the crime of course. Crime?!? deary me...so now failing to present your documents makes you a criminal...Lock 'em up, sling 'em in the cells with the rapists, I say.

I know Julz, even I think its getting a bit desperate now !

livvy wrote: Peter Fenwick wrote: There will be no escaping the punitive measures of the state. Don't commit the crime of course.

If the government made it illegal to use websites like this that talked about speed cameras in a not too positive light, would we deserve punishment for doing so?