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    Posted: 16-January-2006 at 05:17

Morning Guys,

After may last post about the auto box I rang a recomended tranny shop to get it serviced and he asked me if the box was a ZF or GM box. How do I know. He also said that the GM box is "junk" and impossible to get parts for.

Has any body got any experence on this one. How can I find out which Box my car has.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-January-2006 at 12:47

Your box will be a ZF. 

Hold on you said the Tranny Specialist asked YOU what box you had.

Erm but any decent tranny specialist will know that Beamers have ZF boxes.  You haven't filled me with confidence that this 'recommended tranny shop' is any good if he asked questions like that.

GM box as in General Motors?  They are about the only car manufacturer that uses their own auto boxes and therefore extremely unlikely to be found in any other manufacturers car with the exception of Saabs, I think but then there is a tie in between the two.  Most other car manufactures buy them in.  Both BMW and I think Mercs use ZF boxes. 

GM boxes are really really strong units.  The electronic 3 mode, 4 speed autobox that was in my Vauxhall Senator was bomb proof.  It was better than the ZF box fitted to my Beamer.  My Beamer autobox needed £700 worth of work at 6 years old with 48,000 miles on the clock.  My 14 year old Sennie had 98,000 miles on the clock with no autobox problems whatsoever when I traded it for the E39.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 04:14

Andrew,

I was thinking along the same lines about this Tranny "expert". I have read other posts some from yourself and no montion of a GM box in a E39. Maybe I should ask KBANNON if he knows a tranny shop in Dublin. (are you out there KB)

Thanks again for your input its much appreciated.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 05:00
The following page of gearbox oil recommendations from the BMW Tips and Tricks site seems to show that GM transmissions were used on quite a few models over the years although these documents looks like they are directed at the US market so it's possible they may not apply here.

http://bmwtips.com/tipsntricks/Tranny/chart.htm

(sorry - can't get the hyperlink button to work)

Not sure why the 523 isn't listed - perhaps it wasn't offered in the US.

If you put your VIN into the following site

http://www.bmw-z1.com/VIN/VINdecode-e.cgi

then it will show you which box you have fitted and hopefully you can find it on the chart.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 07:01

The e34 were defently built with both ZF and GM boxes dont know about the e39

The gearbox place is not gonna know what box it is unless they have either ur chassis number or they have actully had a look

put ur chassis number into that link posted above

it wont tell u directly weather it is a zf or gm but the code will read something along the lines of A5S***X x being either Z or R or maybe even J

Z for ZF R seems to be for GM and J i have no idea what J is but i suspect that could be GM as well

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 07:06

Cheers Gavin I will give the link a go. So then Its possible the Tranny shop is'nt as thick as we thought....

I think I might just drive the bugger a sod what happens to the box. If it breaks it breaks.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 07:28
Mick

I've just gone back and had a look at one of your previous posts regarding the revs rising and falling when you decelerate then accelerate on the motorway. As Andrew replied at the time, I think this is the torque converter working correctly but on my previous auto's I've always been able to apply enough accelerator travel to disengage this but without changing down. In my 525 I can't. I've also noticed the rise and fall revs bit at much slower speeds and lower gears and a general reluctance to change down without lots of accelerator travel which I'm sure isn't right - like the car is labouring. The odd thing is that I've been doing searches for days on all the UK and US forums trying to find someone with a similar problem but to no avail. It's a subtle problem but I didn't have it when I bought the car 18 months ago and I'm not conviced it's obvious enough for a dealer to pick it up.

Ah well - just to let you know you're not the only one with a problem!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 09:02
I've never seen an E34 with a GM autobox! The only
BMW to have an GM unit (identifiable by the twin
sumps) was the E36 316i and 318i auto although it's
possible that some late 518i E34's may also have
had one. To say that this unit is junk is unfair - it's not
a bad unit. The only real problems they have are
neglect and an oil leak between the bellhousing and
the front casing. If you changed the oil and filter every
20 off thousand miles, they go on forever.
Interestingly, the Vauxhall Omega (their only rear
drive car) uses a very similar 5 speed auto to the
BMW..........by ZF!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-January-2006 at 09:19

Thanks for all your input.

Sir I am new to the Auto box and still ajusting to the drive. I am also the type of person who hears every single working part of my car. If I dont now why somthing is happening then I asume something is wrong. My wife thinks I am a freek...

The car drives very well and even over the mountains last night pulled hard so I think eveything is fine.

The other point of notice on my 5 is that it smells hot after driving. Not sure if this is normal, I may start a new post on this one or else maybe I should just relax and enjoy one of the finests cars I have owened.

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Mick.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-January-2006 at 15:00
Until Nigel persuaded me to try BMW's my daily drive was a Vauxhall Royale coupe which I still have, I was always very impressed with the GM autobox (until I tried an E28)and the car club Autobahnstormers,never had reports of any major probs with the units. Some interesting info on this thread!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-January-2006 at 04:03

Aaaaaah another person saying that GM autoboxes are good! 

I would still say that 3 mode electronic autobox in my Vauxhall Senator is the best autobox I have ever driven.  I took the Sennie to an Automatic Transmission Specialist for a gearbox service and he said that he did not get many cars like mine in.  I thought he was meaning that there are very few 3.0i 24 V Senators on the road (<1000!) at the time but he meant that the GM autoboxes are so good, he doesn't have to fix them!

He did however say he used to get a few Mercs and Beamers in with the ZF boxes! Hopefully that is just because there are more auto BMW and Mercs to go wrong in the first place than there are GM autos to go wrong!

Anyone driven an automatic Toyota?

1.8i 52 plate Avensis with a standard Simpson 3 box +1 = Horrible. 

It was a standard 3 speed unit with overdrive (to give you a 4th gear equivalent) then a torque converter lock up (to give you a 5th gear equivalent).  It would try and do everything in 3rd gear.  Pull away. first, second, tttttthhhhhhiiiiirrrrdddd, fourth, then fifth.  No guts, just terrible for driving quickly.  Easy to drive right enough though, and enjoyable if you weren't in a hurry!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-February-2006 at 20:40
Originally posted by Andrew Rolland Andrew Rolland wrote:

Anyone driven an automatic Toyota?



Yes, from 2002 to 2005 my daily driver was a Mk2 GS300 which I clocked up 162,000 miles in. Simply the best auto I had ever driven in my life. I've had over 70 cars that I can recollect.

The Lexus Box is so silky smooth that you don't even feel the changes. I was looking for a 728 or 730 at the time and it was such a nicer drive I actually settled for a car without leather and bought it within 3 mins of starting the test drive. before we'd stopped for fuel I was hooked. Only better car for my money, LS400 or Toyota Celsior.

The Bimma5 is a awsome drive though. and I hope to restore my great opinion of them through e39 ownership.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-February-2006 at 22:13
Looks like i have a GM autobox in my e46 323Ci so. I'm interrested to hear how you get on Mick.

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