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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 05-January-2006 at 04:43 | ||
You are right Nigel. There is little point in argueing about asthetics since it is subjective and down to the individual. beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that
I don't like the S-type jag at all. I do like the Rover 75 especially in MG form, although I don't really like any estates.
The new Accord influenced by bangle?? You really do need to get your eyes checked Andy WRT to the E30, whether it has aged well appears to be a matter of opinion. My boss for instance said the other day how dated the E30 looks now compared to modern cars. |
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m3tiko
Really Senior Member II Joined: 29-May-2005 Location: Braveheart Country..aka Pai Status: Offline Points: 1483 |
Posted: 04-January-2006 at 20:01 | ||
Fair points IMO made by all....but i tend to agree with sleeper
A standard E90 leaves a lot to be desired and yes with cosmetic dressing will it only look better. Past models clearly indicate this...E30 to E46. To the topic, can lexus match the bmw...potentially yes the car offers a lot more value for money. However, we are a brand label loving nation and hence the bmw will be hard to beat.I also believe Lexus should mix their engine lineup by introducing the more powerful version..the IS350(unlikely due to emmisons)....a match for the more power orientated |
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Nigel
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 18:49 | ||
Peter. Its all down to taste, ( and I wish I could actually afford your car), but I dislike the look of it. To me it looks like something the kids have knocked up in McDonalds car park ! But then again...I like the S type Jag, Rover 75 estate etc. |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 04-January-2006 at 18:35 | ||
I'm sorry, I just can't take you seriously with that pram handle on the back The E36 was considered a big comedown in terms of looks & build quality after the E30 & having had a close look at both I have to agree. There's no doubt that the E36 is the better car but only because it's a more modern design. It's looks just aren't aging as well as the E30 did. I do like the E39 & may well end up getting one myself. As for the latest Accord - there's certainly a touch of the Bangle influence about it. |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 11:19 | ||
Fastest pair of slippers i've ever worn
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sleeper
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 11:16 | ||
ooooh! that's a quick looking pair of slippers that pete!
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 11:11 | ||
.....personally I think my car looks good, certainly IMO a lot nicer than the new 3 series
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 10:22 | ||
My Accord Type-R could be accused of looking bland, like a lot of Japanese cars, however the new Accord is a great looking car IMO. I would have the 2.4 vtec S version over a new 325 anyday. It might not be quite as good a drivers car but with the cash i'd save I could get an E30 M3 for the weekend
My prejudice? It's not prejudice just because i don't like the way a car looks. Besides my wife knows her own mind and what she likes and doesn't like has very little to do with what I think. Oh and it definately wasn't a wind up, after all I agreed with her
I think the E36 and the E39 are great looking cars and I liked them the moment I saw them. The E39 M5 looks so much better than the new car. Oh and the new M5 lost even more of my respect since it was beaten round a track by the new Masarati quattroporte in EVO magazine. It's not even the king of the big saloons any more. |
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AndyS
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:40 | ||
That's why I have my 635 |
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AndyS
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:37 | ||
Well I'm not the one driving a Honda (although I did have a few in the '80's). It seems to be the case that Bangle gets blamed for all BMW styling. Given that he designed the abortion known as the Fiat Coupe which everyone except me seemed to love I would agree EXCEPT he designed the E46 and his TEAM designed the later cars (with his approval of course). You've obviously instilled your wife with your prejudice - or maybe she was just winding you up a bit. I'm not a great fan of the new 5-series except as a Touring but I like the 6 & 7 & love the Z4. I don't see any of them reaching classic status for their looks but then neither will the E36 (which was always a bit of a mess inside & out) or E38 7-series & E39 5-series (both criticised for being too dull & conservative when launched). |
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sleeper
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:31 | ||
Steady on andy! you'll have us all queuing up to jump off a cliff with that! You are right with the safety aspect, b****y pedestrian safety! Teach the idiots the green cross code and let us have nice looking cars again!!! |
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T.J.
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:31 | ||
5's cool, 3's only ok (I saw a white with sport kit on it which was cool though), 1 is cool, Z4 is cool... they just make everything else so.. dated looking. Go Bangle GO! New IS is cool too. read that Times Article just there Killian - the 'ASC off' rigmarole is a farce. I read everywhere else though that the front end was very pointy; so much so that it feels a bit too tail happy in spirited driving. Perhaps that's why the ASC process is the way it is? |
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AndyS
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:13 | ||
I remember the E36 came in for a lot of stick when it was launched
& people weren't too sure about the E46's chubby looks either.
The new Lexus IS is the first Lexus that hasn't been laughable in some way or other (like chintzy rear lights etc). Jaguar X-Type? Oh please! S-Type? Oh Dear!! Audi? All looked the same & now they have that grill! Mercedes? ZZZzzzzz Anything from the US, Japan, Korea, Malaysia etc? I think not! Against that kind of competion the new 3-series is spot on. Saftey requirements & wind tunnels mean the form over function days are gone. Make the best of it. |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 08:11 | ||
Andy, I think you're the one who needs glasses. The new 3 only looks slightly better than the new 5 which is horrible. Driving in the car the other day and my wife says "God that's an ugly car, what is it?", "The new M5" I replied. "Oh" she said "is is one of those ones designed by that idiot", "yes, Chris bangle" I said, "he should be put in prison for that!" was her response.......I have to say she has a point...... |
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sleeper
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:43 | ||
what!?! Its not a Rodius, but the repmobiles that I have seen OTR so far look a right mess - the worst offender is the rear from 3/4 to full on to 3/4! A sorted example from ACS or the M Division may be a different matter, but the 'bog standard' models are hideous. What worries me is that the 3 may well go the same way as the 7 & 5 series' in that the shapes and 'flame surfacing' make them very colour specific. Only dark colours - black/blue/antracite looks any good. I expect the second hand market will be a disaster in a few years for any other than dark. |
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AndyS
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 07:35 | ||
I think you need glasses! It looks great, tail lights could be a little better but other than that it's fine. Not the vast improvement the E46 made over the E36 perhaps but it's sharp & won't date too quickly. |
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sleeper
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:35 | ||
stupid lexus! cannot grasp the concept of RWD....
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kbannon
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:32 | ||
Also to disable ASC on BMWs you press the switch. To fully disable it for that journey you hold the switch down for 10 seconds.
On the Lexus you need to do the following:- Start the car with the parking brake off, then: put parking brake on; step on the brakes and release twice. Release parking brake. Step on the brakes and engage parking brake; release twice. Release brakes. Put the parking brake back on again, step on the brakes; release brakes twice; release parking brake. The traction control light and/or VSC light should come on, as the electronic aids are asleep until you start the car again. In short: Parking brake, brake, brake, release all. Brake, parking brake, parking brake, release all. Parking brake, brake, brake, release all. confused? |
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sleeper
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:27 | ||
but the new 3 is so damn ugly!!!
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kbannon
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:20 | ||
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