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PeteV
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Topic: Salad cream in oil filler cap ?! Posted: 02-January-2006 at 10:58 |
Hi folks,
Just been to look at a 528i (build date on inner wing says September 1999). Care was great, only when I came to take a look inside the oil filler cap, there was a fair bit (enough to make a medium sandwhich!!) of the whiteish 'salad cream' deposit that can sometimes signify head problems. There were also a couple of visible drops of water below the cap, but no obvious signs of water on the dipstick. Dealer also reconed that he'd done an oil change about six weeks ago - if true, how come so much 'condensation' in such a short space of time ??
Dealer immediately says, "don't worry, that's just condensation sir as it hasn't been driven in weeks"..but well he probably would, I guess?!
Anyway, the car has clocked up just over the 100k mark, and the last owner seems to have done less than 5k miles in the last year, so it could well be he's correct with the condenstaion story.
In all other respects the car is fine, and the price is very keen too. So, do I chance my arm here & hope that it turns out OK, or that something minor is wrong, like a blocked crank case breather, or do I walk away??
Many thanks for all advice !!
Pete.
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GraemeH
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 11:01 |
If I'm doing my maths correctly: 6 year old car, over 100k. Thus 15-20k a year. Above average mileage. Milky substance under oil cap. Market for E39s a buyers market. . .Gut reaction: walk.
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540 V8
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 11:23 |
I agree, not worth taking the chance. The dealer might just be telling the truth, but if you were trying to sell the car to make your bonus, what would you say!!?? ditto the man above, if in doubt - walk, or get the dealer to give you a decent warranty with no small print so if you do have trouble, it won't cost you. I'm sure there are many other similar models you could look at and get better peice of mind though.
Good luck
Mike
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stephenperry
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 11:29 |
i'd agree with all said already - if you've got nagging doubts at this stage, then think how you'll feel when it's a done deal !!
wait for one that you're entirely happy with, you know the old saying "buy in haste; repent at leisure"
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Bill-
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 12:21 |
The most common mixing of oil and water (Emulsification) causing a Milky substance not caused by malfunction occurs when the engine is run for a short period not allowing it to heat up properly this is a Killer for engines anyway... walk I would anyway there is loads out there..
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Mick525i
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 13:00 |
I agree, It could be something as simple as a faulty Stat not allowing the engine to heat up enough allowing condensation to build up or something as serious as a cracked head. Still there is loads out there so keep looking. Let that one be...
Mick
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Rhys
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 14:45 |
Plenty of other cars out there - I'd walk away as well
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M5_Mark
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:12 |
... I've had several E39 5'ers and a small amount of whitey/brown deposit seems normal after a period of inactivity, or with regular "cold start" shunting around (as a dealer may do on his forecourt, as he rotates his cars on display) especially on the 6-cylinder cars.However what you're describing sounds like head/head gasket failure to me. Best thing to do, is clean it off, go for a longish drive, and see if any traces of the salad creamy stuff start to reappear! like everyone else, I'd walk though, there's no shortage of nice E39's for sale!
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stephenperry
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:16 |
M5_Mark wrote:
a small amount of whitey/brown deposit seems normal after a period of inactivity....especially on the 6-cylinder cars.
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my car has just come out of winter storage and the filler cap was as clean as a whistle
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M5_Mark
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:23 |
stephenperry wrote:
M5_Mark wrote:
a small amount of whitey/brown deposit seems normal after a period of inactivity....especially on the 6-cylinder cars.
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my car has just come out of winter storage and the filler cap was as clean as a whistle |
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M5_Mark
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:29 |
....if the engine hasn't been started, during the period of inactivity, the oil filler cap/neck usually stays clean, however it usually seems to occur when the car is stood, started occasionally for a short while, and turned off before it gets properly warmed up. This is when the condensation starts to form.
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stephenperry
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Posted: 02-January-2006 at 16:33 |
ahhhh i see now
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Posted: 03-January-2006 at 09:20 |
It's academic now, but the condensation from a Cold-start-then-engine-off scenario will manifest itself as little white spots (No bigger than 3mm diameter I'd suggest) on the filler cap, and occasionally on the shaft of the dipstick. Any sign of cream, or larger than white spots is almost certainly because coolant water is entering the Oil. A very bad thing.
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Posted: 03-January-2006 at 19:38 |
When I was looking for a 5 I looked at a 520. It has been in the forecourt a while and the garage owner seemed to use it as his daily runabout. The day before I went to buy I checked the oil filler cap and there was a very light brown gunk gathered underneath which was not there last week. I walked away from that one.
Glas I did really as it was a '97 and at that time I was unaware of the Nicasil problems and I ended up with a 528 :-}
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bmwcrazy
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Posted: 03-January-2006 at 20:18 |
walk away oil and water do cause this fault as said above
bad news as my bubby bought a car with this fault wast of money and time
good luck dazz
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523ss
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Posted: 03-January-2006 at 21:00 |
I Spent months looking for my E39, looked at hundreds and finally found one that ticked all the boxes. If in any doubt, walk away as if you purchase, you will find that doubt always in the back of your mind. As above, there are loads of minters out there to be had.
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 05:00 |
errr, lets throw some controversy in the mix...
get the system pressure tested from the expansion tank, also get the cylinders compression tested.
if these are ok, take the car for a longish and hard drive and the deposit should clear up.
My car gets a fair amount of mayo on the cap after a week of to and from the office driving (3 miles each way), and I can assure you she is fresh as a daisy!
2 things here - 1) the concerns you have can be a good 'stick' to beat the vendor with, and 2) if he's trade, you should get a good warranty for free in the deal too.
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dutch
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Posted: 04-January-2006 at 18:23 |
hi sleeper
can i ask what oil you use in your baby?
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sleeper
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Posted: 05-January-2006 at 08:11 |
Hi Dutch, silkolene pro-s from oilman.
whysatthen?
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dutch
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Posted: 05-January-2006 at 13:53 |
i do about the same miles per day as you, when i got my bm it was fitted with castrol magnatec an i got the cream! at service i changed to mobile one and have'nt had it since (the cream that is) just wondered if this is oil related in some way?
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