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bhp555 
Senior Member II
Joined: 16-February-2004
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 Posted: 10-January-2006 at 13:52 |
.....let's keep this factual......
the e36 m3 engine is a souped up 325i engine - a splendid engine no doubt, but not a Motorsport engine ........what!!!
....where does this little gem of info come from??? Next you'll be telling me the famous turbo F1 engines weren't motorsport engines, 'cause they used 316 engine blocks.........
......and mechanically there isn't a thing in common between the 328 and the M3, apart from the visuals..... M or Motorsport, the former being the correct name since 1993, would be very happy to hear that the total sum of their work, to change every part.....and I mean every part.....to build the M3 amounted to 9/10 of a 328i.!! ........if this were true, they may as well give up and go home...........
And for all you E30 die hards, the clue is in the text.....'it should be called the M3 for marketing and racing reasons'.
Remember, the e36 M3, of which a total number of cars sold by end of 1988 was 63,070… was by BMW M’s admission is the most successful M car ever!  It's all relative....
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Jonners
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Joined: 23-September-2003
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:05 |
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nah
not having anything in common with a 328 proves nothing
and if you measure the success of an M car by sales alone surely the e36 m3 was a rubbish car compared with the 318i...
now do come along - the e36 m3 engine does have it's origins in the 325 - i'm not saying it's no good, but it's an engine built for hairdressers and footballers, not for people who know....
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Jonners
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:09 |
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...and it weighs a ton...
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Jonners
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:10 |
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...and you could buy a 4 door version...not even the e46 m3 went that far...
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Jonners
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:11 |
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...c'mon, only winding you up - i even thought of buying one recently...!!!
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Jonners
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:13 |
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..until i took it for a test drive...oh no, stoppit...
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sleeper
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Joined: 26-March-2004
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:15 |
 Jonners wrote:
nah
...the e36 m3 engine does have it's origins in the 325 - i'm not saying it's no good, but it's an engine built for hairdressers and footballers, not for people who know.... |
you are loosing friends here...!!!
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bhp555
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Joined: 16-February-2004
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:16 |
.......I was wondering how successful the e30 M3 cab was in it's day...however shortlived....
.......e34 M5 touring anybody.....
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thelord
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Joined: 05-December-2005
Location: Stockport
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:16 |
I love mine, anyway I was at work the other day when I was talking to one of my clients - she wanted a demi wave - and she said the e36 evo's are great fun, she even liked the SMG 'box.
Anyway after I had finished, she was over the moon with job I had done and said she was going to meet Ronaldo. I said I love a game of soccer and could we go together....
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sleeper
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Joined: 26-March-2004
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:18 |
...excuse me sir, is this your bar of soap?!? 
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Jonners
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:30 |
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...i mean, david beckham owned one for goodness sake...
like, hello???
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Pooky
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:34 |
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I've got a SportKa, do you want a race?.....You'll only just beat me........perhaps I should bring a Citroen C2?
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Jonners
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:35 |
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...and as for the e30 m3 -vs- e36 m3 challenge...
...bhp for bhp or cc for cc around a circuit it'd be a massacre...
...dead hairdressers everywhere, footballers in the tyre wall...
...racing drivers' excuses involving vanos, smg, lipstick and so forth...
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Jonners
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:36 |
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...love to see that sportka take on an e36 m3 - bet you wouldn't dare....
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Jonners
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 14:37 |
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wind up session over - i remain as i was...
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bhp555
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Posted: 10-January-2006 at 15:25 |
wind up session over - i remain as i was...
.... wandering around unattended, allowed nothing sharp, unsupervised, without medication.......
...only joking of course, we're all blessed with the illness know as M.....
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DAM998
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Joined: 05-April-2004
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Posted: 11-January-2006 at 06:36 |
bhp555 wrote:
By the way, there is as much difference between the e36 328is and the e36 M3 (3.0l) as there is between the e30 318is and the e30 M3…….. so less of the toffee.
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I hope this comment is said im jest as if you really think this is the case then you are ...., well, full of it 
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T.J.
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Location: Cork, Ireland
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Posted: 11-January-2006 at 07:14 |
The way this is reading, no car except an E30 M3 is deserving of an M badge! what about ALL the other 3s & 5s? They're not proper M-cars so either as they don't have competition history, or massive changes to the body structure?
re the 328 / M3 comments, there has been a huge amount of debate on the Irish forum about this (as I'm thinking of changing from one to t'other). What I can say is that mine, with AC Schnitzer suspension and an LSD, keeps surprisingly in touch with E36 & E46 M3s around Mondello (granted you top out between 100 & 110mph so it's not a high speed circuit). There's only 30lb/ft-odd torque difference between E36 M3 & 328 after all, and mine is a bit lighter.
The E36 M3 might not have been what was expected after the E30, but it has to be a proper M-car - it has a 286bhp 3.0 straight 6 lump with throttle bodies for Gods sake!!
(If I'm being honest, I don't think anything without a straight 6 under the bonnet is a real M although maaaaybe the E30 is acceptable - let the fireworks commence!)
Edited by T.J.
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Mazda 6 MPS
S1 Elise 135 Sport
Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon
Formerly E39 TDS, E36 M3, E36 328i, E34 525i, E34 518i
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David321
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Posted: 11-January-2006 at 07:25 |
bhp555 wrote:
.......I was wondering how successful the e30 M3 cab was in it's day...however shortlived....
.......e34 M5 touring anybody.....
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I must have missed the E30 M3 Cabrio race car - we should discount this one as a real M3 as well!!!
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E36 M3 Evo - Techno Violet
Previous & current rides...
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foxworth
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Joined: 03-January-2006
Location: London, England
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Posted: 11-January-2006 at 08:38 |
my history of BM's is as follows, starting with my 1st!!
88 316 (addiction begins!)
90 525i,
95 328i
95 M3,
81 635i manual,
98 323i
98 523i
90 325i e30,
00 M5, (5Litres  )
87 M3 (current)
the e36 M3 is worthy of the M badge IMHO. I owned mine for 3 years, and although it didnt handle as well as the E39 M5 nor the E30 M3, it was awesome on the road, and at goodwood/silverstone/donnington.
The E36 M3 is many things, but an imposter it isnt...
my 2c 
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E36 M3 officially not really an M-car
