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Jonners 
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Joined: 23-September-2003 Status: Offline Points: 601 |
 Posted: 13-December-2005 at 15:47 |
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"vindaloo, vindaloo..."
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Jonners
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Joined: 23-September-2003 Status: Offline Points: 601 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 06:08 |
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undoubtedly this thread has been done to death but i watched the programme last night and one blindingly obvious point that must be made is that Mr Average driver would get nowhere - absolutely nowhere near Needell's times...
...nor would Mr Average in a sport Ka or whatever beat Mr Average M3 owner/driver... ...which says everything about the m3 that needs to be said the way Needell was driving is always going to equalise standard cars' lap times i bet the difference lies in the tyres... |
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Rob16v
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Joined: 14-December-2005 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 08:56 |
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Hehe, if it's any consolation we're all soul-searching over on the integrale forum too... If it's any help, a guy from our forum with a modded integrale evo has posted a 50sec laptime round Anglesey, which puts it ahead of the Porkers and TVRs and just behind the Lambo. And most of us agree that the E30 M3 is the only BMW we'd ever consider owning ;-)
Rob (Integrale Evo1)
PS We still beat you tho... :0)
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UweM3
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Joined: 11-February-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 5445 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 10:11 |
only because your car is fan assisted 
but good to see what a difference a prepared version can make. Even if I didn't like the idea first time, but I think we need to get some proper M3's up to Anglesy. greetings to tho other fan owners 
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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J1mmy
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Joined: 18-July-2005 Location: Wrexham, North Wales Status: Offline Points: 133 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 10:56 |
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Arron, I thought your car looked mint. The E30 M3's are truly a classic. I love to own one myself but as im 21 the insurance companies laugh at me.... lol. |
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Rob16v
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Posted: 14-December-2005 at 11:05 |
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I think we should organise a joint trackday E30s + Grales and mail the results to Tiff :0) Rob
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Fushion Julz
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Joined: 27-May-2005 Status: Offline Points: 400 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 11:46 |
Now there's a top idea.... |
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1987 E30 M3
1996 E36 328i SE 4dr (Manual) 1992 E34 525iX Touring...SOLD |
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coates
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Posted: 14-December-2005 at 11:50 |
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i'd be up for that, just need someone to organise it!!!???
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E30 M3 1990.
GSXR 750(K1)TRACK WEAPON. |
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AaronM3
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Joined: 27-November-2004 Location: Langdon Hills, Essex Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 12:06 |
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Have I missed something or is my M3 not a 'proper one'?
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Dazzieboy
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Joined: 08-April-2005 Location: Nottingham UK Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 14-December-2005 at 14:41 |
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just to keep you guys fully informed myself and Nick from TBMW are in cahoots to organise something for spring next year. including the 'grale crew is a good idea as the more people we can get the cheaper it will be for everyone. Maybe include fiesta ST owners club just to show them the way round
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The Future's The Past
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Rob16v
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Posted: 14-December-2005 at 14:56 |
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I think we'd be up for that Keep us posted - you know where to find us!
Rob
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UweM3
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Posted: 15-December-2005 at 02:59 |
no disrespect, but don't you think it's a bit unfair against Tiff to compare laptimes of modified cars against his one from standard cars? Many of us know how much better an M3 can be with just a little bit of suspension tweaking to get rid of the "safety understeer". And I hope nobody will wake up from their dreams if Tiff's time is still faster....... |
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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Dazzieboy
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Posted: 15-December-2005 at 03:21 |
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My vision from a day at Angelsey is to organise a trackday primarily for E30 M3's. At some point during the day maybe at the start, end or lunch hour get to together a selection of standard and modified cars from 195 to evo sport and run them back to back with the same driver timing the laps. If you look back through the thread I have proposed a driver who is more than capable of doing this. If Aaron could bring his car along that would be superb as we would have same car, same track, decent driver and have a good chance of beating Tiff's time. Hopefully Nick@TBMW is gonna help and report on the day and if we do beat Tiff's time we will send him a copy of the mag. We can also see if he had used a late 215 or evo sport model, where he would have been. Like I say this is my vision and Im more than happy to help organise this provided there is enough interest / willing volunteers putting cars forward
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The Future's The Past
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rattusM3
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Joined: 06-March-2005 Location: Wiltshire / Surrey Status: Offline Points: 200 |
Posted: 15-December-2005 at 03:34 |
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I think we are taking it all to hart. Time to cheer you all up. Top Gear episode November 2nd 2003 when the Hampster and the Librarian did a piece on the M1, M5 (e34) and M3 (e30). Basically defines what our cars are all about. you can get the bit torrent avi of this episode (along with others) at finalgear.com - downloads - topgear episodes - November 2nd 2003. In fact if any of you have problems downloading this then I already have a copy that I can post sometime (174MB in size though). Go on, cheer yourselves up. Edited by rattusM3 |
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E28 M535i (now a donor for B9) E24 M6 (work has started to get back up to scratch) E30 M3 (New Engine (almost), Cams, Brakes, ECU, Suspension, Alpha-N - Thanks Stannard Motors) E39 530i Touring - Now Sold, sob, sob E39 523i Touring |
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AaronM3
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Joined: 27-November-2004 Location: Langdon Hills, Essex Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Posted: 15-December-2005 at 04:40 |
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Aside from the misguided and pretty ill-informed comments in the studio I think it was a good piece on the M3 packed with superlatives and praise- more so than there was for the winner- and nothing to be down about at all. And yes, I'm up for this track day- I think we need to look towards March/April when it's a little milder as it does get pretty chilly on the coast. Or maybe I'm just being a girly. |
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UweM3
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Joined: 11-February-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 5445 |
Posted: 15-December-2005 at 05:02 |
appreciate that. But me for as a start I am not willing to let sombody drive my car round a ractrack I don't know. Whatever race history that person has. And I am not sure if I would let Tiff behind the wheel.... |
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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Fushion Julz
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Joined: 27-May-2005 Status: Offline Points: 400 |
Posted: 15-December-2005 at 05:12 |
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As on many things, I'm with Uwe...
I'd love to come to a track day for M3s...and my car will be nearly standard with some safety/handling related modifications rather than power based ones. But let an unknown person drive my car? Probably not; unless it was fully insured against all incidents including mechanical ones! Keep me informed, though... |
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1987 E30 M3
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AaronM3
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Joined: 27-November-2004 Location: Langdon Hills, Essex Status: Offline Points: 123 |
Posted: 15-December-2005 at 05:44 |
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Oh no, I'm with you guys on this- I let Tiff drive it but in hindsight (and if I knew I would have come in for a reasonable amount of slating!) maybe I wouldn't have had. So, the track day will be down to us driving which means my car will be very slow... |
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Dazzieboy
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Joined: 08-April-2005 Location: Nottingham UK Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 15-December-2005 at 05:58 |
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sure thats your perogative (spelling?) Just thought it would make for a good magazine article as well as providing people with information on what modifications make what difference when the car is put to the use it was intended. My main objective is to organise a trackday as means of a meet.
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The Future's The Past
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215DMX
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Joined: 14-May-2003 Location: Croydon Status: Offline Points: 1780 |
Posted: 15-December-2005 at 06:24 |
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I think the lap record there is around 43sec. Things like MG's, 325i's etc
seem to get round in 55 seconds when racing, but it is a very short twisty track with a very slow haipin, a second difference here might be somewhere closer to 10 seconds at somewhere like oulton where the M3 would most likey have shown a much faster comparable time to a ford Ka(k)... |
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