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Points: 549 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 09:17
Originally posted by kevin kevin wrote:

Originally posted by E30 M3 Evo 1 E30 M3 Evo 1 wrote:

Originally posted by trackM3 trackM3 wrote:

Just go out and have fun with the car's we all Love, it doesn't matter !

Here Here!!  Lets all go out to play!



Well said...book up for Croft or take it to the Nordschleife or any other track and just enjoy what you have in it's natural habitat
Thats what i want, positivity ?= enjoyment 

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Points: 1365 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 09:28
I can't believe all the clucking & wailing that's going on over this!

Yes, a lower mileage M3 would have been better but what state would the shopping trolleys be in with 170k on them? Exactly.

A 15% drop in power is pretty good for that mileage. Did you think there would be no drop off? Can a 45 year old still run as fast as a 20 year old?

Cars are designed to run on normal roads not racing tracks. That's why they break if you thrash them on a track.  A track time is as relevant to normal use as a 0-60 time.  Will those shopping trolleys be breathing down the neck of an XJR on the open road? Of course not.

As for the tosspot comments about Needells driving - give over. It's not as if you could get anywhere near his level except in your dreams.

With the reality check over it comes down to the fact that none of the "hot" hatches on the list will ever be as cool as an M3, now or in 20 years time, no matter how fast they can go. End of story.

Tell that to the p1ss-takers.

Car looked good by the way Aaron. A credit to you.
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Points: 67 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 09:30
My car was 195 bhp when it left the factory. It's 203 now at just over 100k miles.

Ok so it no longer has a cat, but it goes to show age and mileage doesn't necessarily mean less power.

Still lovin' it, balls to the naysayers.
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Points: 89 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 09:36
You can only compare cars from the same era, 2/10 slower than a 4 wheel drive 16v turbo, not bad at all, car looked great, SportKa vs today's M3?
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Points: 123 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 09:43
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Points: 205 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 10:07

You shouldn't be bothered about people taking the piss. I'm sure I put up with it more often anyway running a bright yellow E36 track car, at least the E30 has some heritage.

I run my car for me and no-one else. It does everything I want and wouldn't swap it for anything else, I'm sure you guys are the same with your E30s.

And it was a bleeping SportKa not a StreetKa. StreetKas are for girls whereas the SportKas are for limp wristed men (I've had two)...
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Points: 400 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 10:24
Quote SportKas are for limp wristed men (I've had two)...


what? sportkas or limp wristed men?!?
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Points: 5445 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 10:25
Originally posted by Chris Miller Chris Miller wrote:

The e46 would easily out handle a standard E30 M3 as well.

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Even if you switch all your Gizmos off?

Don't dispute that the E46 is a very fast car, but can the average driver cope with it as good as in an E30 M3 ?

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For those who are interested in proving the E30 M3 has lost nothing in 20 years. Ive just been speaking to my very good friend Chris Randall who is an excellent sports car driver. In fact he has just won the last round of Britcar at Brands Hatch. He said he would be very interested in a get together and would be happy to do the driving of different spec cars and set lap times subject to Angelsey's approved. He took part in the tuner Grand Prix a few months back at donington, that was run open pitlane qualifying format so it can be done. Nick@TBMW please help make this happen

 
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Points: 445 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 10:40
Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Miller Chris Miller wrote:

The e46 would easily out handle a standard E30 M3 as well.

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Even if you switch all your Gizmos off?

Don't dispute that the E46 is a very fast car, but can the average driver cope with it as good as in an E30 M3 ?

 
This was my point as stated the E30 M3 is much more balanced at and easier for normal drivers at the limit. Without the skills of a Tiff 95% of us including me would end up in the bushes or armco with the electric gizmos switched off on an E46


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Points: 171 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 10:46

My Sport Evo is ready and waiting to fly the flag for BMW

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Originally posted by Dazzieboy Dazzieboy wrote:


my very good friend Chris Randall who is an excellent sports car driver. ... He said he would be very interested in a get together and would be happy to do the driving of different spec cars and set lap times subject to Angelsey's approved. 

 


lol...

Used to race against Chris a few years ago in the BMWCC races (pre Kumho) when he had a E30 318i and I had a 2002Ti in the same class...
We were fairly evenly matched, then...

I bet he'd *love* to thrash a few cars around a circuit...

However, no disrespect, but so would most of the racing drivers I know (including myself)...just cos he won a race or two, recently, doesn't mean he is a better driver than plenty of people who only do track days...

PS: my M3 will be track-ready in the spring (with standard 195bhp motor, but uprated suspension and brakes)...I'll be happy to come along...but I'll be doing the driving, thanks!



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I think your thinking of a different Chris Randall its a popular name in racing it seems. My Friend Chris started in MG's and E types before moving on to Group C GTP racing in Spice prototypes. He currently drives a 700bhp+ Nissan GTP car in that series as well as Britcar. In Britcar he started this year in a Lotus Elise which came 15th overall and 2nd in class at the Silverstone 24hr, the 1st time an Elise has completed 24hrs. He is quick and mechanically very easy on cars so this would be right up his street. In the tuner grand prix he was 2nd overall 0.2 sec behind the westfield xtr4 in a Lotus Exige.
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Points: 69 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 11:04
My point was putting the same driver in each car would give a good comparison and was really a reply to people saying none of us would be able to get near Tiff's time.
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Points: 400 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 11:10
Arrr..maybe, maybe..cos I didn't think Chris was racing any more....Apologies

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Wow!

Now's probably not the time to own up to being Tiff in real life then?

Just kidding.

That got everyone warmed up a bit didn't it?  I think it's great to see how passsionately we all fight for our respective corners.  Reminds me of my blood-spitting anger over the Clarkson episode.

Just remember though, once all the piss-takers have run out of wisecrack remarks and general bull, they get to drive home their warmed over girls cars, and we get back into a piece of history.  It's our garages these cars get parked in every night, not theirs.  I say two fingers to the lot of them!

Owning a classic car is a bit like knowing a really good joke - you either get it, and it makes you smile every time you think of it, or you don't. 

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Originally posted by Fushion Julz Fushion Julz wrote:

Quote SportKas are for limp wristed men (I've had two)...


what? sportkas or limp wristed men?!?

Ah, that would be telling...
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Points: 648 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 11:25
Originally posted by SFH3L SFH3L wrote:

Owning a classic car is a bit like knowing a really good joke - you either get it, and it makes you smile every time you think of it, or you don't. 

Excellent well said that man

cheers

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Points: 1302 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-December-2005 at 11:27
Count my Evo2 in if we get a meet at Anglesey sorted.

Nick I would be happy for it to be chucked about a bit for a mention in the mag.

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