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thepits 
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 Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:09 |
 livvy wrote:
thepits wrote:
Unfortunately Floody that is so right.
In the "good old days" if caught speeding (100mph at 3am on the M1) by a real Policeman there was a chance he would have used his discretion.
Cameras? no chance!
Computers??? Pah!!!!!!!!!! 
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Cameras are actually set in line with ACPO guidelines, so they are infact set to prosecute at speeds which the Assosciation Of Chief Police Officers decree is the minimum for which action should be taken.
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More Twaddle!!!!!!!!!!!
Wibble wibble wibble .............
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:10 |
Livvy, you on Night Shift  and in "The Car" 
Just put a post on lads..... go back one page 
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:12 |
Nigel wrote:
Cameras are not set in line with apco guidelines....do yu have access to the IAM forum Livvy ? |
No
ACPO guidelines state what the minimum action should be unless
exceptional circumstances apply, not that action shouldn't take place
below those speeds if Police consider their is juts reason to.
i.e.
On a 70 limit , the minimum action that should be taken for someone
doing 79mph is a ticket (unless exceptional circumstances exist), 96
means a court appearance. There is also then the over rider that this
does not replace an officers discretion to take that action (ticket or
summons) at lower speeds where they deem it necessary.
Now in particular problem areas you may get a tciket for under 79 in a 70 for instance.
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:13 |
thepits wrote:
Nigel wrote:
We need a tiered system of limits, depending on what licence you hold |
Elucidate oh wise one! 
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It doesn't have to be a massive increase across the board, say 10 mph in nsl's for example, but could just be the carrot we need to get more people to do advanced driving, and thus improve the casualty figures...........wont earn any money though
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:14 |
thepits wrote:
More Twaddle!!!!!!!!!!!
Wibble wibble wibble ............. |
Where does it say different then to what I have posted ?
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:14 |
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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thepits
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:15 |
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:15 |
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Well its a pity you don't livvy, because you would then know that the guidelines are just that........guidelines, I could have put you in touch with a serving met traffic officer who was gobsmacked to see an nip from avon & somerset scamera agencey for 31 in a 30, and I kid you not.
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:15 |
Nigel wrote:
thepits wrote:
Nigel wrote:
We need a tiered system of limits, depending on what licence you hold |
Elucidate oh wise one! 
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It doesn't have to be a massive increase across the board, say 10
mph in nsl's for example, but could just be the carrot we need to get
more people to do advanced driving, and thus improve the casualty
figures...........wont earn any money though |
Advanced driving should be about making people safer, not driving faster.
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:17 |
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slower does not mean safer, so faster doesn't mean more unsafe, which course you done then ?
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:18 |
Nigel wrote:
Well its a pity you don't livvy, because you would then
know that the guidelines are just that........guidelines, I could have
put you in touch with a serving met traffic officer who was gobsmacked
to see an nip from avon & somerset scamera agencey for 31 in a 30,
and I kid you not. |
But I do know them well.
That is not out of step with the guidelines I posted above, if they
consider that area such a problem. See the over rider I posted above.
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:19 |
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slower does not mean safer, so faster doesn't mean more unsafe, which course you done then ? |
That's not what I said.
I said the advanced training should be done to concentrate on making
you safer. It shouldn't be done with a a view to think that you should
be allowed to faster.
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thepits
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:21 |
livvy wrote:
Advanced driving should be about making people safer, not driving faster.
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You see, that's where you just cannot seem to understand!
Safer does not have to equal slower.
Safe does not = fast nor slow, just safer / better....
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:22 |
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[QUOTE=Floody] Come on livvy, lets get in the real word.
I go down to Southampton from Durhan 5/6 time's a year to see my
daughter. Sometimes I get away at 4/5am, in the summer me 100+,hit
traffic down to 40/50, or even 30, if the nutter's are on the road,
then if it's empty back to 100+, I like it think im a good driver.
Speed limits should change according to conditons 4 am 100 4pm 40,
let's get real  |
You think you are a good driver, who doesn't think they are.
You can criticise a man's house, his wife, his prowess in the bedroom,
but don't criticise his car or his ability to drive it, because that
will enrage him.
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:22 |
Livvy, can you answer my question???
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:22 |
livvy wrote:
Nigel wrote:
slower does not mean safer, so faster doesn't mean more unsafe, which course you done then ? |
That's not what I said.
I said the advanced training should be done to concentrate on making you safer. It shouldn't be done with a a view to think that you should be allowed to faster.
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I know what you said, but if you have anything to do with advanced driving, you will know the difficulty we have getting people to take up the training, and we need a carrot, that may not be the best one, but its an idea....yes ?
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:24 |
livvy wrote:
Floody wrote:
[QUOTE=Floody] Come on livvy, lets get in the real word.
I go down to Southampton from Durhan 5/6 time's a year to see my
daughter. Sometimes I get away at 4/5am, in the summer me 100+,hit
traffic down to 40/50, or even 30, if the nutter's are on the road,
then if it's empty back to 100+, I like it think im a good driver.
Speed limits should change according to conditons 4 am 100 4pm 40,
let's get real |
Not said a word abuot you wife
You think you are a good driver, who doesn't think they are.
You can criticise a man's house, his wife, his prowess in the bedroom,
but don't criticise his car or his ability to drive it, because that
will enrage him.
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:24 |
thepits wrote:
livvy wrote:
Advanced driving should be about making people safer, not driving faster.
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You see, that's where you just cannot seem to understand!
Safer does not have to equal slower.
Safe does not = fast nor slow, just safer / better....
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You are not reading, or either not understanding what I am saying. I am
not saying anything about the realtionship between speed & safety I
am saying that the training is about making you safer, not alowing you
to go faster. The IAM or RoADA don't teach you to or encourage you to
break speed limits.
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:27 |
Nigel wrote:
I know what you said, but if you have anything to do with
advanced driving, you will know the difficulty we have getting people
to take up the training, and we need a carrot, that may not be the best
one, but its an idea....yes ? |
I don't think promising extra speed is to encourage people into advanced
driving no. I think you should concentrate on safety benefits &
work harder for recognsition from insurance companies. Youngster pay a
lot in insurance & if you can show them that �85 for an IAM skils
for life package will knock a few hundred pounds of their insurance
premium that is the way to go.
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:27 |
Ok Livvy, I'll put it another way.
Your beloved scamera agency's, combined with this goverments desire to control our lives have completely put people off "safety".
There are no incentives whatsoever for anyone to do the course, other than they want to.
So...given that completing the course, passing the test, and driving to the system is our aim...how do we encourage them to do it ?
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Nigel
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Scamera poll
Over to the prosecution?? and more money in the bank??????????