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Poll Question: Are scameras good for road safety ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:22
Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

[QUOTE=Floody] Come on livvy, lets get in the real word. I go down to Southampton from Durhan 5/6 time's a year to see my daughter. Sometimes I get away at 4/5am, in the summer me 100+,hit traffic down to 40/50, or even 30, if the nutter's are on the road, then if it's empty back to 100+, I like it think im a good driver. Speed limits should change according to conditons 4 am 100 4pm 40, let's get real


You think you are a good driver, who doesn't think they are.

You can criticise a man's house, his wife, his prowess in the bedroom, but don't criticise his car or his ability to drive it, because that will enrage him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:21
Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

We need a tiered system of limits, depending on what licence you hold
Elucidate oh wise one!

It doesn't have to be a massive increase across the board, say 10 mph in nsl's for example, but could just be the carrot we need to get more people to do advanced driving, and thus improve the casualty figures...........wont earn any money though

Advanced driving should be about making people safer, not driving faster.

You see, that's where you just cannot seem to understand!

Safer does not have to equal slower.

Safe does not = fast nor slow, just safer / better....

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:19
Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

slower does not mean safer, so faster doesn't mean more unsafe, which course you done then ?


That's not what I said.

I said the advanced training should be done to concentrate on making you safer. It shouldn't be done with a a view to think that you should be allowed to faster.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:18
Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

Well its a pity you don't livvy, because you would then know that the guidelines are just that........guidelines, I could have put you in touch with a serving met traffic officer who was gobsmacked to see an nip from avon & somerset scamera agencey for 31 in a 30, and I kid you not.


But I do know them well.

That is not out of step with the guidelines I posted above, if they consider that area such a problem. See the over rider I posted above.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:17
slower does not mean safer, so faster doesn't mean more unsafe, which course you done then ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:15
Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

We need a tiered system of limits, depending on what licence you hold

Elucidate oh wise one!

It doesn't have to be a massive increase across the board, say 10 mph in nsl's for example, but could just be the carrot we need to get more people to do advanced driving, and thus improve the casualty figures...........wont earn any money though



Advanced driving should be about making people safer, not driving faster.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:15
Well its a pity you don't livvy, because you would then know that the guidelines are just that........guidelines, I could have put you in touch with a serving met traffic officer who was gobsmacked to see an nip from avon & somerset scamera agencey for 31 in a 30, and I kid you not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:15

Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

Come on livvy, lets get in the real word. I go down to Southampton from Durhan 5/6 time's a year to see my daughter. Sometimes I get away at 4/5am, in the summer me 100+,hit traffic down to 40/50, or even 30, if the nutter's are on the road, then if it's empty back to 100+, I like it think im a good driver. Speed limits should change according to conditons 4 am 100 4pm 40, let's get real

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:14
Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

Come on livvy, lets get in the real word. I go down to Southampton from Durhan 5/6 time's a year to see my daughter. Sometimes I get away at 4/5am, in the summer me 100+,hit traffic down to 40/50, or even 30, if the nutter's are on the road, then if it's empty back to 100+, I like it think im a good driver. Speed limits should change according to conditons 4 am 100 4pm 40, let's get real

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:14
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More Twaddle!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Wibble wibble wibble .............



Where does it say different then to what I have posted ?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:13
Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

We need a tiered system of limits, depending on what licence you hold

Elucidate oh wise one!

It doesn't have to be a massive increase across the board, say 10 mph in nsl's for example, but could just be the carrot we need to get more people to do advanced driving, and thus improve the casualty figures...........wont earn any money though

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:12
Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

Cameras are not set in line with apco guidelines....do yu have access to the IAM forum Livvy ?


No

ACPO guidelines state what the minimum action should be unless exceptional circumstances apply, not that action shouldn't take place below those speeds if Police consider their is juts reason to.

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On a 70 limit , the minimum action that should be taken for someone doing 79mph is a ticket (unless exceptional circumstances exist), 96 means a court appearance. There is also then the over rider that this does not replace an officers discretion to take that action (ticket or summons) at lower speeds where they deem it necessary.

Now in particular problem areas you may get a tciket for under 79 in a 70 for instance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:10
Livvy, you on Night Shift and in "The Car"
Just put a post on lads..... go back one page

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:09
Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

I'm with Thepits all the way on his posts, Livvy, are you saying you have never been on a totaly empty m/way and gone over 70??? and on a rainy/thick fog/ thick traffic you would stay at 70?? Me (could get busted for this)!!! m/way dry, 4am 100 + M/way thick fog,/ thick rain/snow/ice /heavy traffic,or road work's I'm the guy in the slow lane speed limit's should be down to condition's not the road

Thanks Floody! I've said it before - so I'll say it (yet!) again Speed does NOT kill! Inappropriate USE of speed DOES!

That " My Honour" is the case for the "Defence" Over to the prosecution?? and more money in the bank??????????

Unfortunately Floody that is so right.

In the "good old days" if caught speeding (100mph at 3am on the M1) by a real Policeman there was a chance he would have used his discretion.

Cameras? no chance!

Computers??? Pah!!!!!!!!!!



Cameras are actually set in line with ACPO guidelines, so they are infact set to prosecute at speeds which the Assosciation Of Chief Police Officers decree is the minimum for which action should be taken.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:07

Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

people don't keep their skills up to date. Better than that we account for it with our limits.
Setting higher limits just means that those you have identified will drive at them because they don't think they are poor & that will increase danger. Better to have limits that all should be able to cope with hazards in rather than have them that only the best can & encourage those with less skill to travel at.
  Wrong - better to make people improve there skills, why do we always want to dumb down??

Originally posted by livvy livvy wrote:

Speed may not be the major factor in most collisions, but reducing it could be a major factor in reducing collisions, because it gives people that golden nugget *time*. Time to cover their other inadequacies & aboid the collision. Speed just serves to exaggerate those inadequacies instead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:06
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So taitors to those of us that bother to keep our skills up then ?


No, you will benefit from the extra safety zone that your skills create for you. Those skills don't mean that you can speed.
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Cameras are not set in line with apco guidelines....do you have access to the IAM forum Livvy ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:05
Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

I'm with Thepits all the way on his posts, Livvy, are you saying you have never been on a totaly empty m/way and gone over 70??? and on a rainy/thick fog/ thick traffic you would stay at 70?? Me (could get busted for this)!!! m/way dry, 4am 100 + M/way thick fog,/ thick rain/snow/ice /heavy traffic,or road work's I'm the guy in the slow lane speed limit's should be down to condition's not the road

Thanks Floody! I've said it before - so I'll say it (yet!) again Speed does NOT kill! Inappropriate USE of speed DOES!

That " My Honour" is the case for the "Defence" Over to the prosecution?? and more money in the bank??????????

Unfortunately Floody that is so right.

In the "good old days" if caught speeding (100mph at 3am on the M1) by a real Policeman there was a chance he would have used his discretion.

Cameras? no chance!

Computers??? Pah!!!!!!!!!!



Cameras are actually set in line with ACPO guidelines, so they are infact set to prosecute at speeds which the Assosciation Of Chief Police Officers decree is the minimum for which action should be taken.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:05
So taitors to those of us that bother to keep our skills up then ?
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