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zywiec 
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 Topic: M3 laughs at type r
Posted: 15-October-2005 at 13:41 |
my brother is a misguided civic type r owner BBBBOOOO!!!!!
He helps at the local scout hut occasionly and today they were cleaning the waste land at the back, some git had dumped a old horse box there and after about a year it had well and truely bedded itself in craig tried to pull it out using his toy after lots of smoke from his clutch and no movement he gave up, i turn up to laugh at him and suggest i try, toeing eye fitted and 1st selected, and horse box moved, with little effort no clutch smell let alone smoke. when finished park m3 next to still smoking type r.
M3 1 type r 0
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SHEPSM3
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Posted: 15-October-2005 at 14:19 |
Them type r's are no good below 5000 rpm! 
Completely the wrong car for tugging things! 
Why buy the civic? I much prefer the Integra, and there 'aint half as many of those about than grannies civic!
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Simon325i sport
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Posted: 15-October-2005 at 14:29 |
Good stuff!
Not a fan of the civic at all!
I had a bit of a run in with some jap metal today, a 200sx, and I was surprised that he didn't gain anything on me at all, even with his turbo wooshing away like there was no tomorrow!
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zywiec
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Posted: 15-October-2005 at 19:47 |
i used to have a civic vti before m3 the 1.6 vti was awesome in town but rubbish on m'way which is where i do most of my driving, it was crap and again below 5,000 the engine was rubbish at 50mph in 5th id havr to drop it to 3rd to get anywhere. there fun for toys but for real a real drive experience compering the honda 2 the bm the honda has alot still to build on.
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M3AG
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7 series & e36 m3 registrar! (Madness)
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 10:40 |
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we have a few guys round my way that have 200sx's, both have enourmous exhausts on them, but were really surprised to see what an e36 M3 could do to them in the twisty bits. They don't seem to bother me now!
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UJM3
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 10:52 |
not mad on civic type r's but i do like the integras, only problem is the power is going to the wrong pair of wheels...
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///Mister_G
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 11:10 |
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They are crap in the wet. I think they are supposed to have a mild traction control system but you just end up spinning the wheels at every junction.
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Avus E36 M3.0
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UJM3
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 11:15 |
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I know the Intergra's come with an LSD, unsure of the civic's though..
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 11:19 |
Hmmm, a high reving car with not much torque trying to pull out a horse box. I hope you gave your brother a slap for being such a clown 
Hondas aren't bad cars, in fact the engines are pretty amazing. I used to own a Honda Civic 1.6 I16. It wasn't even a Vtec but it stll had 130bhp, a 7200 rpm redline and it went forever. The 1.6 Vtec engine made a genuine 158bhp which is almost 100bhp per litre, unlike the M3 evo.
The 200sx as standard won't touch an M3. However spend a couple of grand and you can get over 300bhp.
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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zywiec
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 15:16 |
 UJM3 wrote:
not mad on civic type r's but i do like the integras, only problem is the power is going to the wrong pair of wheels...
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no they havnt got anything.
i used to own the 1.6 civic vti which did the 158bhp the car and engine were awsome but had to get rid of it because you were always fighting with it to over take all the power was in the top 1000 revs. the 100lb ish torque didnt help either.
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stevesingo
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 15:57 |
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Had a Civic before the Sport Evo, I prefer not to mention it now
Steve
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Simon325i sport
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 18:13 |
stevesingo wrote:
Had a Civic before the Sport Evo, I prefer not to mention it now
Steve |
Someone say something then?
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SHEPSM3
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 18:35 |
Simon325i sport wrote:
stevesingo wrote:
Had a Civic before the Sport Evo, I prefer not to mention it now
Steve |
Someone say something then?
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Last year I had a dyno shoot out with 14 or so Civic Type R's, and an Integra. A couple of the owners seemed OK, but the rest. 
Most of them had detonation problems, so very aggressively mapped. They all wanted 2 runs, I have no idea why?? They all seemed to question each other power figures with similarly modded cars, But the Dyno doesn't lie!
Anyway, forget the Civic, and to some extent the Integra. What about the S2000? I quite like that one. And I don't mind being noisey about it either! 
Since the dyno day, I have never looked at a Civic Type R owner in the same way. 
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Italian M3
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Posted: 17-October-2005 at 19:48 |
Used to want the Civic Type R, until I was introduced to the S14!
On the whole, if I wanted a second reliable car and only had a little to
spend it would go on a Honda. I heard, although I don't know if there is
any truth in it, that Honda have not ever had a recall or faulty Vtec engine
since they have made them, and we are talking about alot of engines.
Anyway, you guys that love your old school BMW's like your E30M3's
where's the love for the NSX???
I would get one over a Ferrari of the same generation no question about
it.
I do like the S2000 but if I had the money I would go with an NSX
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Still fast at 2Ltrs!! Undercover M3!!
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Phil-C
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Ex E30 M3 owner...
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Posted: 18-October-2005 at 03:32 |
When I was misguidedly thinking about selling my car  the cars I had on the list as possible replacements were (and still are should I ever sell) 964 C2, S2000 and NSX, the only negative about the NSX is it's very aggresively toe'd rear wheels which even with normal driving required new tyres every 5K miles.
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Italian M3
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Posted: 18-October-2005 at 04:28 |
Phil-C wrote:
When I was misguidedly thinking about selling my car [:Big
Smile:] the cars I had on the list as possible replacements were (and still are
should I ever sell) 964 C2, S2000 and NSX, the only negative about the NSX
is it's very aggresively toe'd rear wheels which even with normal driving
required new tyres every 5K miles. |
Very interesting!! Are you talking Toe or Camber? I find it hard to belive
Honda would have sold a car that based its perfomance handleing on the
fact you had to buy new tyres every 5K miles!
Is this maybe something like bushes going, similar to our cars.
I hope it is not true or can be easily rectified. Quite upset now!
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Still fast at 2Ltrs!! Undercover M3!!
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UJM3
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Posted: 18-October-2005 at 04:54 |
zywiec wrote:
UJM3 wrote:
not mad on civic type r's but i do like the integras, only problem is the power is going to the wrong pair of wheels...
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no they havnt got anything.
i used to own the 1.6 civic vti which did the 158bhp the car and engine were awsome but had to get rid of it because you were always fighting with it to over take all the power was in the top 1000 revs. the 100lb ish torque didnt help either.
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I disagree, think the integra type r is a great car, if you read the spec you'll understand, thinner windscreen glass, titanium engine parts etc
Sure you have to rev the nuts of it but thats part of the of the fun, the have 197bhp on 98 oct out of 1.8 litres..
Don't get me wrong im not swapping my M for one, but i think respect were respect is due and ill like Honda's idea of a stripped out racer feel.. as for Integra type R owners.. i know what some of you mean..but same could be said of certain bmw owners..
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Phil-C
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Posted: 18-October-2005 at 05:23 |
Italian M3 wrote:
Phil-C wrote:
When I was misguidedly thinking about selling my car [:Big
Smile:] the cars I had on the list as possible replacements were (and still are
should I ever sell) 964 C2, S2000 and NSX, the only negative about the NSX
is it's very aggresively toe'd rear wheels which even with normal driving
required new tyres every 5K miles. |
Very interesting!! Are you talking Toe or Camber? I find it hard to belive
Honda would have sold a car that based its perfomance handleing on the
fact you had to buy new tyres every 5K miles!
Is this maybe something like bushes going, similar to our cars.
I hope it is not true or can be easily rectified. Quite upset now! |
I read it on a PH forum, just had a quick look and all I can find is 'Camber/castor settings...' but it can be reset to a less aggressive setting which apparently gets you a lot more mileage from them.
Only bad point from what I can see is red,red,red,red...
On another note, I have no idea why people knock Hondas, their engineering is fantastic. Incredible reliability from fantastic revvy engines. Look at the recalls on BMW engines with high outputs per litre (excluding S14) and as for no torque below quite high revs? E30 M3 anyone?
If you're going to start slating the drivers, just because most BMW owners on this board are pretty sensible about car appearance and general attitude it doesn't mean that they're not out there being total tools in BMW's with huge systems quibbling about bhp.
This is the sort of rubbish you read on American boards, V8s R bet-R thn Ryc-rrs.
Sorry, rant (almost) over but there are not that many other companies making something as extreme and lightweight as the Integra Type-R for the road without going to Porsche or Ferrari with their RS's and Stradales.
I thought that people on here were car enthusiasts not badge wearers.
Rant (definately) over.
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UJM3
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Posted: 18-October-2005 at 05:33 |
was thinking the exact same thing Phil..
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 18-October-2005 at 05:46 |
Well said Phil.
I work with a guy who is into Alfas and his opinion is so biased that he can't even admit that any car company, except Ferrari, makes better cars. He genuinely thinks that his 145 is better than a 911. He also makes constant digs about BMW drivers, ford owners, drivers of fast jap cars etc etc
I can't stand this 'let's laugh at owners of other makes because our cars are better' attitude that you get amongst some enthusiasts. Live and let live I say.
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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M3 laughs at type r