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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-August-2005 at 16:31
please it would be a great help if u could provide the best  and detailed info if you can as i  have been at it since  10.30am this morning and hav only stopped  jus now and am extremely stressed and upset.

I dont wanna take to an engineer jus yet cos it may be really simpler
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-August-2005 at 16:29
Yes solved that but would low power steering fluid  cause an  all mighty  screeching noise when the revs are above 2000rpm cos that is what it is doing now  but when the car is  idling  its ok  no noise
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-August-2005 at 12:42
if the system was not overheating prior to you removing it, then it is an airlock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-August-2005 at 12:35
Yes  it is the power steering pump the noise has stopped but the  fluid is low and i have to power steering.

But now since putting the rad back in the car is overheating again as it did before but was fixed replaced the thermo, coupling, definately have to be an airlock.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-August-2005 at 11:17
Don't take this the wrong way skanders, but I would advise against working further on your car until you understand what you are doing.

You could be doing more damage than good.

However, if you are feeling in a fearless mood, you can establish whether the part that you have worked on is the power steering pump by checking to see if there are  pipes going to the steering rack.

If so, it is the ps pump.  The oil that dripped out should also be a different colour from the oil in your engine (usually red)

I've never heard a worn ps pump clatter before as they usually whine, but I could be wrong.  Once again, if you want to determine whether it is this unit that is cauing the noise, isolate it by removing the belt.

Also, what do you mean when you say you opened the pump?  Most PS pumps tend to be sealed units nowadays.

I can't really make out what the unit is in the pci above.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-August-2005 at 05:29
Jus found out what it is and it seems to be the power steering pump.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 20:09
On my engine its the one circled red in the pictures can someone tell me what this is.

thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 17:46
No mate  I removed the  one  at the bottom under neath the alternator that is the one that was making  the noise
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 17:12

Originally posted by skanders skanders wrote:

Well to be totally honest  im not sure if it is an oil pump or not  but when i opened it to take it off  oil came out so  i am assuming that it is  the oil pump as at the front it has a  wheel  and the belt goes around that wheel and  the  noise is coming  from that  area.


This is the oil pump setup on your car, chain driven as you can see.

Item number one on this picture is the water pump which is belt driven and the fan is attached.

This is a picture of the complete engine where you can see the water pump, oil filter housing and most other parts you have referred too.

My only question would be was it the water pump you removed?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 16:29
lux auto your question answered follow link

http://www.indiacar.com/infobank/oilpumps.htm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 16:15
Well to be totally honest  im not sure if it is an oil pump or not  but when i opened it to take it off  oil came out so  i am assuming that it is  the oil pump as at the front it has a  wheel  and the belt goes around that wheel and  the  noise is coming  from that  area.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 14:37
Sorry, but I'm getting confused.

You seem to be jumping from one place to the next.  So far, you've suggested the noise as being caused by the incorrect grade of oil, the water pump, the fan and now the oil pump.

What have you done exactly to make you think this way?

I'm not familiar with this engine so maybe its my own lack of knowledge which is causing this, but from my experience, most oil pumps tend to be driven off a gear and not a belt.

Can you clarify?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 13:26
Still got the same  rattleing noise but when i removed the belt and tried it  it went away  upon further diags it seems to be the oil pump  making it  it doesnt look damaged or anything.

does it need more oil ?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 08:06
Ok dudes i bought some oil exactly as it says in the manual  which is multigrade oil  20w/50 a gallon for £4.99 so  here i go  am gonna totally drain it and then  fill her up and see what happens.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 07:01
But another thing the noise is intermittent ,
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At idle the noise only happens when it is below the 1000rpm mark about 750rpm but if i raise it to 3000rpm and let it drop it goes away
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While driving the noise most of the time is constant but it can shut up  after a half hour drive
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 06:18
Yes, too thin an oil and cause the engine to be noisy, but I doubt that it would be so noisy that is causes embarrassment! 

By all means change the oil if the wrong grade is in it, but if that really was the case, you would have probably damaged the engine by now. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-August-2005 at 05:55
I think i put in the wrong oil grade  the oil was  low when i checked it , it was jus under the mark  I put in some cheap halfords  0w-30w would the oil not be thick enough cause noise in the engine.

I am gonna drain it all and put in some 15w-40 oil and see what happens.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-August-2005 at 13:28
Disconnect the  belt that drives the water pump then and you should find out if it is the water pump or not that is causing the noise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-August-2005 at 12:43

How did you stop the fan, did you disconnect the belt?

Vanos, there isn't one on that engine. But if there was it would it would be at the front of the engine at the top where the camshaft pulleys are.

Timing chain is usually covered but on the front of the engine.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-August-2005 at 12:28

he fan is connected, but ny a viscous coupling, so it has a clutch that engages at a particular temparture.

Just because you stopped the fan, it doesn't meant he waterpump stop - it just means the fans not engaged!

I would go with waterpump too - is the fan running smoothly when it is engaged (and can you stop it at all times, in which case the fans knackered as well.)

Just a quick tip - if the waterpump needs replacing, do the thermostat at the same time - it's only a tenner, and sits behind the waterpump, so renew at same time!  I did this on mine, and the car now comes up to temp much quicker.

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