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Points: 1339 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-April-2005 at 16:41
Originally posted by MTEC530D MTEC530D wrote:

Someone correct me if i'm wrong but lots of companies offer waranties i.e waranty holdings offer aftermarket warranties. Maybe someone like Floody or someone else like him who is in used car trade may be able to point you in the right direction, that is if you would consider paying for a cheaper warranty which wouldn't cover dealer parts and labour ect but would likely cover Indipendant bmw specialists. Not sure if they sell them to people who aren't buying a used car from garage but might be worth a try.

Dave, Mal is spot on with what he said, only problem is Warranty Holding's went into the hand's of the receivers last March Long story after Ford pulled the plug!!!!!!!
As Mal said there are lot's of Warranty Co's some will give you a 1k limit or you can have up to the value of the car,but they do differ and at the end of the day are all insurance "backed" and don't like paying main "Dealer" rate's but Independant, plus alot have a milage limitation when the warranty is started.
After all that it's not what you know, it's who you know, bought Nicola a car for X'Mas, got a warranty sorted for,3yrs, at!!!!! (going to cost you a ) half what BM are quoting!!!!! for 1yr!!.give me a ring with when and where you bought the car and I will see what I can do
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Thanks Guys, and Mark  your on.

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Originally posted by Coasting Coasting wrote:

If you're buying a premium car like a BMW you're not buying life long trouble free motoring.  After 3 years or 60,000 miles things WILL go wrong.  That's the same with every car and to suggest it isn't and that BMW have issues isn't looking at the bigger picture.

The warranty offered for £720 is acknowledged as the ONLY true extension of a full factory warranty - every other car maker offers extended warranties but they are not a direct extention of the new warranty.

Dave could have a four figure gearbox bill in his BMW just as he could in a Honda, Toyota, Audi or anything else.  It happens.

No marque and no manufacturer can claim the sort of long term reliability and cost free motoring that you're inferring exists.

 

Well I disagree.

For example my fathers cars:

Vauxhall Cavalier bought with 40K on the clock, traded in with 130k. Only problems other than routine serving were with consumable parts. Even the clutch lasted although it was getting a bit tierd.

Vauxhall Nova, bought with 25K traded in with 110K, again no major problems other than a carb problem that cost about £50 to fix.

Vauxall Astra, bought with 30K traded in with 100k, no major problems other than the usual wear and tear.

Another Astra. Bought with 20K and still going strong at about 90K although he is thinking of trading it in this year. the only problem to date not related to consumble parts has been a clutch cable.

I could go on and on listing loads of normal average cars that have never had any major problems.

If Vauxhall can do it, why not BMW?

I do know that sometimes you can get a bad car that ends up costing a fortune, or just a single item like a diff can give up, but to imply that all cars regardless of make will start to give problems after 60k miles is just not true.

Problems like you describe should be the exception and if they're not then the car maker has issues with quality, like Land Rover for instance.

None of the cars I have owned previous to my BMW have ever had major problems and they have all been older cars with higher than 60k on them. 

 

 



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theres a p reg vectra  .estate thats in a state ..but hasnt had a sevice since 170k [only changed the oil ..didnt want to waste money on a filter]   hmmmmm....let me go check what the clock is reading..  ....192038 of miles ..and yet it still wont die on us ,,,some cars if your lucky just carry on and on and on ...

peter    il let you know when it finaly gives up on us
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Points: 6484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-April-2005 at 06:31

A friend of mine works with a couple of blokes, one who had an Astra TD, the other a Sierra TD. They were competing to see who could get past the 200K barrier first. Neither made it Big Smile

192038 is a great milage for any car especially a Vauxhall!

I used to work with a guy who owned a Nissan Bluebird. Horrible car but it went without problem until he sold it at 150K miles. He sold it to a minicab firm who said that they would normally expect a well maintained Bluebird to do 250K on the original engine and box.

 
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Originally posted by pma1ums pma1ums wrote:

theres a p reg vectra .estate thats in a state ..but hasnt had a sevice since 170k [only changed the oil ..didnt want to waste money on a filter]   hmmmmm....let me go check what the clock is reading.. ....192038 of miles ..and yet it still wont die on us ,,,some cars if your lucky just carry on and on and on ...


peter    il let you know when it finaly gives up on us


And, Cam belt's    How many?????
Not a part covered under warranty, but Vauxhalls... just love cam belt's (ask me how I know)!!!! And I thought you looked after your car

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Points: 845 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-April-2005 at 16:55

You beat me to it Floody, I was gonna ask that, surely its had a fair few by now Mr PMA?

Noisey tapetts too by any chance?

Ah, but wait .....here he comesnow ... ..



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Originally posted by Praktisk Praktisk wrote:

You beat me to it Floody, I was gonna ask that, surely its had a fair few by now Mr PMA?


Noisey tapetts too by any chance?


Ah, but wait .....here he comesnow ... ..


LoL, and Valve stem oil seal's.......

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From my experience with my 1997 728i, the extended warranty has been worth it - until this year, when they wanted to charge me £1500+!

As to BMW reliability, then don't think because you are paying a lot for your car (£44K + for mine new)that it will be any more reliable than the Vauxhall Vectra Estate that I owned before, because it won't. Granted I only owned that one for a year, did 30K miles in it, and it had one fault - the computer MPG did not gree with the actual MPG.
The 728 on the other hand has had since I purchased it in 2000, the following replacements:
1 engine
Rear suspension arms and bushes twice.
Front suspension arms and bushes once.
Dashboard binnacle twice
Drivers seat switch.
Engine oxygen sensors - both
Battery
Rear exhaust box
Disks front and back two sets (not warranty)
Additional repairs shown only as 'warranty work' to the tune of £400+
All this over about 100K miles in my possession (car has done around 130K)

Altogether around £12K of replacement and warranty work.
The cost to me was 500 for the firstthree years, 600 for the next year and 700 last year, so I'm way in front. However, £1500 was too much when you look at the list of things the warranty now does not cover. All in all its been good value, and despite the replacement works, I have only been let down once and that was when the battery went dead at home. Would you believe that they took the car away on a trailer to the dealers and fitted a battery and then rang me to collect?

After all that, I still love the car to bits!
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Points: 1148 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-April-2005 at 19:24

Originally posted by Floody Floody wrote:

 but Vauxhalls... just love cam belt's (ask me how I know)!!!! And I thought you looked after your car

lol  after the last post  ....that vectra inastate ..might just not make it back from brum land .albiet with work equipment

 
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Points: 6484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-April-2005 at 07:48

Howard,

The list of problems with your 728 is IMO simply unnacceptable for a premium luxury car. I know sometimes we live with the occaisional niggle because of the driving experience but I'm affraid if it was my car I would have walked away a long time ago. It says a lot that even after all that you still like the car.

I am begining to wonder where and how BMW managed to get a reputation for making reliable cars because based on what I have read on this forum they are anything but!

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Hello everybody

I'm just a guest from up north

Please don't get me wrong for what I will say:

I can't believe that you are talking about all those non-BMW cars, that they are cheap, reliable, good value for money etc...

BMW has nothing to do with all the above! It is the only pure manufacturer, that didn't need to form " a group" to survive and this means a lot about its reliability, quality and longetivity.

We are members of BMWCC, we own BMWs, we love BMWs, so end of story...we choose with our heart and not our wallet.

Time to go for a pint or two, I think...

 
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And one more thing to remember: Nobody's perfect

Even in the best families of the world, one will find the black sheep  
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I dream of being able to own a new BM< I'd even settle for a current model thats a couple of years old.

What does worry me, is the finacial backup you need to own one of these.

For work I use an old Vectra estate, I bought it at four years old, £4,000, 44,000 miles on the clock.

Boy am I glad I had a network Q warranty, it went wrong several times, the last one being an ignition that required £1,500 worth of electronics to cure....how much ?, on a £4,000 car !!

Since the warranty ran out, oil changes and general work has been done by me, cam belt and suspension bush changes have been done by my local independant.

Its nearly six years old now, has just over 120,000 miles on it, and hasnt played up at all since my Vauxhall dealer finished servicing it.

Its good value motoring, and very economical, but the driving experience still doesnt match my old beemer.

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Originally posted by I_MNL I_MNL wrote:

We are members of BMWCC, we own BMWs, we love BMWs, so end of story...we choose with our heart and not our wallet.

I appreciate your point and I accept that many members of the BMW owners club probably feel the same way, however I wouldn't say I was one of them.

Don't get me wrong I do love BMWs but I also like other makes too. Unfortunately I don't have the option of choosing with my heart not my wallet since I run my cars on a budget. I bought my BMW first and for most because I liked the way the car looked and the way it drove but one of the reasons why I chose to go for an older higher milage BMW as opposed to a newer Ford, Honda etc was because of the fact that BMWs were supposed to be well built. However since buying my car and reading about the experiences of others I have learned that they are not as reliable as I first thought and the quality of things like the interior trim is poor.

I will be getting rid of my BMW soon to get a smaller car so that my other half can learn to drive. Once she has passed he test I will be getting another car for myself. It was deffinately going to be a BMW but now I'm not so sure. Compared to cars like Audis they are expensive to buy (second hand at least) and the stories of reliabillity i've heard on this forum have quite honestly scared me a bit. What ever I buy wether it is a BMW or not is no longer a forgone conclusion.

I bought a BMW thinking it was a sensible option, but it doesn't feel like that anymore.
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Originally posted by Peter Fenwick Peter Fenwick wrote:

It was deffinately going to be a BMW but now I'm not so sure.

In many respects Peter, maybe that is the best course of action for you.

I don't mean that sarcastically either. 

See, I went from a BMW to a Jaguar...and boy was I glad to get back to a BMW.

I've driven Audi's, Mercedes, and Lexus's....and BMW is simply head and shoulders above the lot of them as a package.  They all have certain points they could beat BMW on individually (my biggest accolade would go to the Audi interiors nowadays because they are stunningly good)....but as an overall product I find the BMW simply peerless.

So what I mean is that sometimes you need to check the grass on the other side before you discover the sunlight was making it look greener than it actually was...



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Originally posted by Nigel Nigel wrote:

Its nearly six years old now, has just over 120,000 miles on it, and hasnt played up at all since my Vauxhall dealer finished servicing it.



I think the unreliability question is solved

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Peter, I am sorry about your experience, but I totally agree with Coasting's approach.

Of course, it's your right to choose your car and then you realise if you are right or wrong...

Remember this: most people tend to complain about problems they encounter with their cars as with everything else in their lives, but almost never praise the good and positive things. Human nature? Where we take for granted the "spot on"...
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Welcome back Coasting, thought youd left us.

I've heard some really bad stories lately that had I heard 6 months previous, could well have made me think twice about buying my BMW.

Thankfully, I havent had any problems with mine so far (touches wood), so can only assume I got one from a good batch, but C of O is becoming a little too high what with warranty hikes and the like, so mine is currently for sale, and then it will be back to bread'n'butter tackle for Mr Praktisk.



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Yes it's been a while since you've posted Coasting.

I appreciate that in terms of driving experience BMWs are the best in their market sector but the decision may well come down to what I can afford. Looking through the pages of Autotrader shows me that for about £8K I can pick up a full history, 50K, 2000 W, Audi A4 Quattro with 180BHP. In fact in this price range there are any number of Turbo A4s and A3s to choose from. Also a decent 4 year old Accord Type R can be bought. I found one for sale privately with 35K on the clock and a FHSH for about £6500. Nissan 200sx, again same story good 4-5 year old cars with low miles come into this price range. What kind of BMW could I get for this money? E46 328, but it will either be older or have a lot more miles on it. I don't want to spend that much cash on a car that has done over 100k. I could go for an E36 M3 but the high ownership costs of an M car plus the potential for Vanos problems puts me off and I am not ready to spend 8k on a 10 year old car. The best option might be a 528 since they seem to be cheaper than the equivalent 3 series, although I haven't checked out servicing costs and I suspect they will be on the steep side. 

I appreciate what you guys are saying, if I choose another make It may not be as rewarding to drive as a BMW, but when all is said and done choosing a car based purely on the driving experience isn't an option for me at the moment.

If it was I would be thinking about a 944 Turbo!
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