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sharknose
Groupie Joined: 10-August-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 59 |
Topic: Smoking Posted: 16-February-2005 at 06:26 |
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My 635 seems to kick out a lot of smoke when it is first driven after being started from cold (overnight etc). There's no real smoke when you start the engine, but as you pull away, it kicks out a fair amount of dark grey/black smoke. I don't think it's oil (it's not blue smoke, and the car doesn't seem to be using any oil). I'm assuming it's some sort of rich running problem - it only happens when the car is first driven - after that it is fine, and doesn't smoke under hard acceleration or on the overrun. What should I be looking at? |
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Sohlman
Really Senior Member II Coupe Chairman Joined: 19-August-2003 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
Posted: 16-February-2005 at 07:16 | ||
It's probable un burn't fuel. Does your car idle roughly untill it has had the throttle blipped when you first start it, as it could be slightly leaky injectors. Mine does the same and i know at some point in the future i need to invest in some injectors. I am going to do this once i have purchased all the parts for my engine conversion.
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sharknose
Groupie Joined: 10-August-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 59 |
Posted: 16-February-2005 at 07:30 | ||
Yes that's about the strength of it. If the engine isn't really under load (car stationary after cold start) then blipping the throttle will produce a cloud of smoke. This will happen repeatedly (I generally don't like prodding the throttle when it's in "P" or "N" because mine's an auto and I have heard rumour that it b*ggers up the clutch on the autobox). As soon as I pull away, another cloud of smoke and then it's gone. Almost like the DME is re-tuning the mixture after I pull away or something. I have got a non-standard air filter (K&N) which I did think might be confusing the DME computer or something. |
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M3AG
Really Senior Member II 7 series & e36 m3 registrar! (Madness) Joined: 17-October-2002 Location: Good Old Hertfordshire Status: Offline Points: 1644 |
Posted: 16-February-2005 at 08:46 | ||
maybe an over zealous mixture where cold start mixture is required, perhaps it maybe prudent to ensure all the contacts from the various sensors that abound these cars, are clean and rust free!
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 21-February-2005 at 07:30 | ||
I would try some injector cleaner first - generally advertised in TBMW & BMWCM. Then you could look at the cold start gizmo - that might be sticking.
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sharknose
Groupie Joined: 10-August-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 59 |
Posted: 21-February-2005 at 09:56 | ||
Yeah, I did try some "detox" (I think), which I heard was a BMW approved one, just before the last oil change. I don't know whether or not that is an injector cleaner or just a general fuel system cleaner. |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 21-February-2005 at 16:04 | ||
Only when it first came out! The packaging now makes no mention of BMW endorsement..... |
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 13:56 | ||
I would suspect worn or faulty valve guide seals, especiually the exhaust valve guide seals. Oil will run down these when the engine is stopped, and it will burn handsomely once the engine is restarted. Oil does not go down the exhaust guides when the engine is running- if anything it gets blown the other way. Modern oils burn quite well, and once the engine is warm the oil consumption would have to be horrific before you would see smoke in normal running. A small puff after a prolonged overrun would be a clue, but if you have an outo box this isn't an easy experiment to do. cheers
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ian M635UK
Really Senior Member I Joined: 01-July-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 264 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 14:11 | ||
I'd go with brucey on this one. The valve stem seals get hard with age and allow oil into the combustion chamber. It's a common problem on old BM's Head off job to change out though Otherwise just learn to live with it on start up. It's no big deal In my M635 I booted to 100mph in 3rd and then let it engine break down to 60mph. Tell tale puff of smoke out of the exhaust as the engine went into max vacuum. A dead give away for worn valve stem seals or worn rings. Oh my god did I say worn rings!!!!!! - unlikely but possible. Ian |
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sharknose
Groupie Joined: 10-August-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 59 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 14:32 | ||
Thing with the smoke is, it's dark grey/black - I always thought oil smoke was blue'ish. Also, car doesn't really seem to use a lot of oil. Regarding testing for smoke on overrun, would this work with an autobox if I put it in "3-2-1" mode and left it in say, 2nd? |
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Brucey
Really Senior Member II Joined: 07-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 744 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 15:57 | ||
probably not, unless your box locks up above a certain engine or road speed. My 4-HP22-EH box will overrun a bit in E mode above 60mph, or in S mode at other speeds (in a way I have not yet figured out). I guess you'll have to try it out. BTW oil burns bluey grey if it is burn hot, but anything burnt too cold will tend to burn black, even petrol; this is why cold plugs soot up on short runs. Cheers
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spokey
Bavarian-Board Contributor Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard Joined: 02-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1948 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 16:14 | ||
An ignoramus asks: how do you fix these valve guide seal thingummies? |
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Ciao,
Spokey |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 16:17 | ||
You take the cylinder head off. Expensively.... |
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spokey
Bavarian-Board Contributor Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard Joined: 02-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1948 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 16:24 | ||
Not me personally, of course. Even more expensively... |
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Ciao,
Spokey |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 16:41 | ||
When I last replaced the valve stem seals, it cost me £2300. Mind you, there was also the little matter of the discovery of a hairline crack in the cylinder head, thereby necessitating a new casting..... |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 18:05 | ||
Ah, don't you just love the old Six? Nobody's asked, how many miles does the car have on it? Whilst I agree with the worst prognosis it's worth trying Power Boost at www.ecotekplc.com At £27 it's got to be worth a try. Injectors are a bugger to clean properly - my own fav. "injection specialist" mechanic had his own "special brew" to clean. However, general opinion is the M30 needs a top end overhaul at 130-160k miles regardles of tlc so if you're in this ball park . . . |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 18:15 | ||
Didn't this consist of jewellery cleaning solution? Or was that Ian's idea?
I was, so I had it done anyway |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 18:16 | ||
But Horsetan, don't your favourite garage MUNICH LEGENDS only quote £2-3k for a-brand-spanking-new-out-of-the-box-complete-engine? (Wig not included). Hair today, gone tomorrow . . . |
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AndyS
Really Senior Member II The Last of the Few Joined: 21-August-2003 Location: 55 � North Status: Offline Points: 1365 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 18:17 | ||
Sorry mate, I started going grey at 20 so I have NO room to talk!!!
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 22-February-2005 at 18:18 | ||
Munich LegendaryBills? FAVOURITE???? Are ye mad? The £3k is for the engine. And then ANOTHER £3k to fit it.... Edited by Horsetan |
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