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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 16-February-2005 at 04:43 | |
I saw something similar. This is probably the reason why that lovely chap David Coulthard will never be world champion. What ever you think about him he is by far the best driver out there at the moment and IMO the best driver ever.
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spokey
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 14:49 | |
Ah! But there is a very good reason why neither the 6er nor the Baur are in my sig... Edited by spokey |
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Praktisk
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 12:57 | |
Spokey . just coz there old doesnt make them sheds, infact the Z in yer sig. looks far from "shedish" ... sorry mate, you havent attained "undesirable / dodgy" status just yet .. please try again next year.Thank you for your efforts all the same.
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MIKE 318IS
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 12:48 | |
well was not me i drive a k reg |
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spokey
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 12:05 | |
I watched something on the telly where they said that a personality like that was a pre-requisite for being a competitive F1 driver. We will never know whether Schumacher was better than Senna, but historically, the bald statistics show Schuey as the top of the pops! |
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spokey
Bavarian-Board Contributor Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard Joined: 02-March-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1948 |
Posted: 15-February-2005 at 12:02 | |
As the owner of two early 80's sheds, I heartily agree! I'm twice as dodgy as the next bloke! In fact, since my Z1 is a late 80's car, it makes me three times as dodgy as the next bloke! |
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Praktisk
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 10:39 | |
He's German .. what do you expect?
JOKE!!!! |
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Coasting
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 10:35 | |
Me? How could you possibly think that? I have every respect for his ability as probably the second greatest F1 driver of all time after Mr Senna. The fact that he is a seemingly ignorant, arrogant, cheating, egotistical, do-no-wrong, what who me type of person.....well that doesn't bother me at all of course.. |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 09:24 | |
I suspect the reason for getting pulled up on a council estate in a BMW is that the Police don't see many there and those that are might be being driven by joy riders. Coasting, not a fan of Micheal Schumacher?
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Coasting
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 09:04 | |
Just a few points to add to the new "twist" in the thread. Older BM's being bought "by and large" by dodgy folk. I know the point that was trying to be made here but perhaps it was a little too widespread in its circle of capture! I do actually know lots of people who drive older E36's because they bought an older quality car instead of a newer pile of junk (distinction to be made there, because many do the latter). I think the problem is that so many "dodgy" folk seem to aspire to the older BMW as a way of expressing their worth or place in society - and I think it is those that Doive was referring to. I suspect we all know the ones he means and I give him the benefit of the doubt about what he meant by it. I'd like to bet that categorised the driver of the BMW 318iS this morning actually! Onto council estates. It is true that many are blighted with the least favourable members of society. But, there are good estates and there are bad estates. I suspect the one referred to above is a notoriously bad one and the police are likely to patrol it more frequently. But, life can throw some strange people into the mix and I can recall a new neighbour moving in to the road I used to live on. It was a private road, mainly occupied by retired people. Very quiet indeed. These weren't cheap houses nor were they top of the market. But, in moves a family I can best describe as the neighbours from hell. Parties until 3am, Chav cars racing up and down the street to this time, sounding their horns at the girls that the family invited around to the house for the parties. Some very uncouth language at all hour of day or night, and regardless of young children being present. To cut a long story short (having listened to appeals above, all be in jest I know!) after police involvement from ourselves and other neighbours we ended up moving out 8 months later. Sold up. Gone. Now....new location. What many might perceive as top-end-ish in a (to use estate agent terms) "desired" location. 99% fantastic.....but.....we now have a bloke who drives his Range Rover Vogue SE like a man possessed. He'll drive out of the cul-de-sac like Michael Schumacher in pursuit of a personality. He's also extremely ignorant to his neigbours - but no more so than our old neighbours from hell or those that blight the lives of many good people on council estates. My point...it's a matter of ratio's. Council estate = higher ratio of "undesireables", more things to have cause for concern about. Private housing = less likelihood, but still those that give you cause for angst. Top end housing = less likelihood again, but still not free of the odd idiot or ignoramus. Royalty residences = all of the above put together!
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pma1ums
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 08:42 | |
just a point on council estates here part of my job is security so hence i drive and measure a lot of jobs on very bad parts of estates ...the only time i ever get pulled by lilly law .is when iam on estates driving my bmw. there first question is ALLWAY what are you doing on here...i show them work folder ..then they allways let me go .without giving producers etc etc .what does that tell you about bmw and estates?? |
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Daz
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 08:26 | |
he, he class... oh and to coasting - undesirables: - brilliant, I think I know what you mean. I hope I'm not one! |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 08:17 | |
Coasting, Fair enough.
Now, this I do disagree with. Some cheap BMs are bought by people like this but all the people I know who own them are honest hard working individuals. The car park at my place of work has a lot of E36s and E34s G to R reg in various conditions.
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Andrew Rolland
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 08:08 | |
BMW E36 Driver Reputations. Hmmmm Well if you ask me they do have the worst driving reputation for... DRIVING WITH THEIR FRONT FOGS ON!!! Turn them off! I passed two E36s doing just that this morning. Andrew
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Coasting
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 07:58 | |
I think that's a fair summary. There is no denying that crime exists more in areas of lower income. Likewise, urban unrest and civil disorder. Subsequently, it follows that cars of a cheaper purchase price are likely to be owned by those that make up some of societys undesireable element. I can see the point Peter is making, but I do think it is an unfortunate fact that lower incomes and "undesireables" have a closer correlation than higher incomes and "undesireables". My background, for want of clarification, was a family of working class (mining actually) in a fairly run-down part of North Yorkshire (having moved from Salford at a very young age). They brought me up with values that appreciate both the struggle of those on the breadline and the efforts made by many to rise above it. However, they also brought me up to appreciate that not everyone who had material possession was "a lucky so and so who didn't know what hard work was". I thank them for that. Ultimately, it can work both ways. An idiot can drive a 318iS like a lunatic and upset road users. Kieron Dyer can drive a Ferrari..... Same thing! Both Chavs! One just happens to drive a more expensive car - but the likelihood of finding more Chavs in older cars is surely more obvious than finding as many Chavs in Ferrari's..... Can we agree to disagree or agree on our disagreement being brought to a concensus of general agreement? (Yes, deliberately anti-Plain English written!).
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Coasting
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 07:43 | |
No, No, I'm not falling out with anyone, and I hope Peter doesn't see it that way either. I'm just expressing the fact that the post bore no inclination towards snobbery at all, and feel it has been hijacked a little to go that way! |
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Doive
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 07:40 | |
Ok, I think a lot of people have unhappy heads this morning With reference to Coasting's initial thred - I understood what you meant. My interpretation is thus. In our area there are a few council estates full by and large of criminals, drug dealers and dole scroungers - of course with a few hard working honest exceptions before anyone jumps on the 'snobbery' bandwagon. Five years ago these estates were full of mk3 escorts, sierras, mk3 cavaliers and the like with the occasional new focus bought on finance (I know I've spoken to the people). However, drive round there today and the place is full of E34's and E36's in various states of disrepair, even the odd nice one like an M3. Now the money in these estates comes almost wholly from criminal activities and drug dealing, hence the M3 - surely this lends weight to the 'undesirable' argument. Of course the other side of the coin is people like myself - honest and hard working (guv), and I've just bought my first BMW for the ridiculous sum of 150 quid. Am I an undesirable - I'd like to think not. However, by and large cheap BeeEms are now bought by immoral people engaged in dodgy activities, as seen on the council estates. Again, I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush, so if anyone misinterprets what I'm saying then feel free to discuss it further and I will attempt to clarify my position. |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 07:40 | |
Good god Coasting you write long posts!! WRT my comment about inverse snobbery, I was just being silly. I didn't even know it was a real term. One of the problems with the internet is that it's not always easy to convey when you are being silly or serious I'm not arguing for the sake of it, I'm just trying to understand the thinking behind the post. This is the original statement: 'Only a few days ago a thread developed into discussing the driving habits of E36 M3 owners and the fact that now the car had fallen into a certain price bracket that more "undesireables" would be driving them.' What I am getting at is what has price bracket got to do with more "undesirables". I can't think what else this means other than the car is now in a price bracket that means less desirable people can now afford them. I don't think it says that all people shopping in this price range are undesirable, but I do think it says people shopping in this price range are more likely to be undesirable than those who bought the car when new. I'm not trying to get into an arguement but I do enjoy a good debate. I also don't intend any unpleasantness just a free exchange of opinions
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Praktisk
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 07:23 | |
This is really helping your post counts boys ... Lets not fall out tho .. I consider myself fairly undesireable at times too, and after one too many stellas and a portion or two of garlic bread, I would go so far as to say I am VERY undesireable, and Im sure a few of the female population would echo that. "One persons junk is another persons treasure".
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pma1ums
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Posted: 15-February-2005 at 07:10 | |
coasting matey theres no need to defend .its wasnt an offending post you started ..i agree with you actualy ..and i know its sometimes hard to put across a point of view on here .because it is only in text form and not expressed as one would like |
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