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Hiabboy 
Really Senior Member I 
Joined: 05-February-2005 Status: Offline Points: 325 |
 Posted: 15-February-2005 at 05:39 |
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The Sport Evo is the ultimate factory built e30 M3 , that is a fact not an opinion. The differences between a 'standard ' car and the Sport are significant , lots of little things that you may or may not notice i.e all 3 front grille sections are different, the floor braces under the car to things you wouldn't notice like the propshaft guibo and the oil pump. The 'standard ' M3 is a great car, the Sport is better. Any body who states they would rather own an '87 2.3 (if cost was not an issue )to a Sport Evolution is deluded. It goes with out saying if you want a car to rag about in the standard car will give you 95% for 50% of the purchase price, but if you want THE M3 then there is only one choice.
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John W
Really Senior Member II 
Joined: 01-November-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 630 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 07:00 |
Eh? Oh come on David, the Sport Evo is the best!! It has to be on a number of levels, engine, interior etc. I think what you mean is that you don't think that they are worth the premium over the 2.3 models. But as I said earlier in the thread, some people get wood when they think of rare specials (that aren't much better than the regular version of the car) and other people don't get wood. It's not something that is readily or rationally explained. It depends on the person. |
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Jonners
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 23-September-2003 Status: Offline Points: 601 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 06:34 |
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oh for pete's sake come along
a substantially strengthened block, different crank, different pistons, oil squirters, special exhaust valves, different manifold, different cams, different afm, different inlet tract, different bumper mouldings... hardly just a few stick on bits any idea how much it would cost a manufacturer to implement these changes for a tiny production run on what was already a small production run?? then there's the adjustable bits and bobs, different wings, supposedly reprofiled grill and other detailing i think you're only thinking of red ht leads and red sear belts there's more to a sport evo than the dashboard plaque just cannot understand why everyone is so quick to say the 2.3 is almost as good or just as good are we all pc mad and wooried about the feelings of 2.3 owneres??? who said the sport was better in the first place?? it's not as if they command that much more money sorry guys but the e30 m3 is a relatively cheap car for what it is (thank god) but it'll be sports that find their way into museums and will command good money at auctions in the coming years i mean people will pay decent money to get a 1.3gl instead of a 1.1 even tho all the manufacturer had to do was use a different boring bar the sport evo is more desireable as reflected by market value - there a numerous reasons for this but please let's not get fixated by saying if you've only got a 2.3 don't worry.... how're you chaps getting on out there with the 2.5 conversions?? discovered the need for the sport block yet?? if the sport used the standard diff ratio i think the picture would be clearer |
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Andyboy
Banned User 
Joined: 04-June-2003 Status: Offline Points: 707 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 06:13 |
It just is.....by a tiny margin - although whether it's preferable to a 2.3 is very debatable. The Sport Evo has a bit more torque and really nice seats but the standard sports seats are fine. I paid £11'500 for mine and anyone who's seen it will say that it was a minter, unmolested and proper. But I wouldn't pay much more than that because they aren't worth it. My fave is probably a Misano red Evo 2 - loved the interior and Misano red is such a nice shade. |
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David 87M3
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 16-April-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 368 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 04:59 |
If its all about the fact that the car has a few extra stick on bits anyone can do that. As far as making the car light, give me a grinder and I will make any E30 light. I still fail to see why people think the sport evo is the the best |
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jon90
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 11-January-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 653 |
Posted: 14-February-2005 at 03:33 |
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All the changes that were made to the sport evo,were put there to enable the race teams to modify the car even futher;stronger block,oil squirters,different head,lighter drive shafts etc..In the real world nothing that would make it worth double a good 195/215 model.
If it`s the rarity thing being one of only 600 or so made,how much is a UK supplied Ravalia (spelling)worth,only 25 I believe? Surely this is the one to have? 
Jon |
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M3Nally
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 28-May-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1302 |
Posted: 13-February-2005 at 14:09 |
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I chose the Evo2 because I liked thei interior. I thought the standard M3 was too dull inside, too black and samey.
Oh and I didn't have enough cash for a low mileage Sport so got a 30k mile immaculate Evo2 instead. |
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John W
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 01-November-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 630 |
Posted: 13-February-2005 at 07:59 |
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Andyboy,
Regarding the list of cars I made, all I said was that they were all "a LITTLE faster and more DESIRABLE". I didn't say anything about them offering a better driving experience than the cooking models. That would be missing the point. The point is that each of these cars is more DESIRABLE than the cooking model on a subjective level, but only to people who fall for this sort of thing. I am not ashamed to say that I am the sort of person who DOES fall for "specials". Regarding half cages, I think some cars suit them and can wear them with pride....911 RSs are a good example as is the E30 M3, and none more so than the Sport Evo. |
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Andyboy
Banned User
Joined: 04-June-2003 Status: Offline Points: 707 |
Posted: 13-February-2005 at 05:53 |
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Good Lord! Apparently Gear set is a rude word if you
combine them! Ge AR SE t. 
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Andyboy
Banned User
Joined: 04-June-2003 Status: Offline Points: 707 |
Posted: 13-February-2005 at 05:49 |
Fair point in most cases; But with one exception; the 2.7RS 911 was a much better car than the 2.4S which was the next model down in 1973. I once drove a 20'000 mile blood orange 2.4S belonging to Autofarm and really, didn't like it. It felt a bit skittish on the motorway over 100 mph and generally felt a bit overpowered and tricky. The 2.7 RS on the other hand wasn't vastly quicker but the handling, roadholding and stability were of a different order. I've never driven any of the others so I can't comment I think the Merc Evo was an astounding
car and today they're worth much more than a Sport Evo - the body addenda's a bit too much though! At the end of the day, the SpEvo, like the RS Carrera was a homologation special that suited BMW's needs but unlike the Porsche it added little to the overall driving experience. If I was to buy another M3, I'd buy a 215bhp car and save myself £5000. The ultimate homologation special? My vote would be the original Mini Cooper S, developed from a sad little shopping trolley into something that murdered the opposition - Porsche 911's included - in international rallying for four years. Never again will a Monte be won by a car that was slower than the factory car due to the extra weight of spotlights, sumpguards, spare wheels etc. I had one of these (well, two), the first one of which I did exactly as John W did with his Sport Evo 
when I rebuilt the car from a wreck in 1990. It was converted from Hydrolastic to rubber cone suspension, a full alloy roll cage, spiky cam, big SU carbs, (it did 105 bhp on the dyno) Cosmic alloy wheels and a straight cut ge****t which sounded heroic. My finest moment was nailing a 205GTi on the A34, 7500 rpm in top, 123 mph on the tripmaster! Now John, about that rear rollcage.....
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SHEPSM3
Bavarian-Board Contributor 
UK Sport Evolution. Joined: 26-December-2004 Location: Bristol, UK. Status: Offline Points: 1934 |
Posted: 12-February-2005 at 20:23 |
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The Sport Evo has something about it though. It is special, but so are the others. Since selling my old Europameister, I always said I would either buy my old car back again, another Europameister, or an SportEvo in red with A/C and leather. I ended up with a black one, no A/C and cloth. But I love it nonetheless, but not quite as much as my 1st E30 M3 (Europameister) I shall post pics on here if anyone wants to see them? If I can figure out how to get them on here. Nice car John, I used to think that the white can cover and intake box wasn't original, but sure enough, it is! Doh! I found the best polish for the Macau blue is the Simoniz black colour polish. This hides a multitude of sins! But I have been unable to find a shop who sells it. |
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Rob L
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 22-October-2002 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 384 |
Posted: 11-February-2005 at 04:04 |
LOL LOL LOL been there, and mines a Sport Evo on a G, although she does like the seats 
Edited by Nigel |
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1990 E30 M3 Sport Evolution
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steve1
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 25-November-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 338 |
Posted: 10-February-2005 at 19:43 |
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There is another BMW that stirs the same emotions, It's the ZMCoupe, ( sometimes known as the bread van ), the actual discussion is going on at present over at www.z3mcoupe.com the two models are ,the S50 and the S54, the latter being the slightly more powerful, 325bhp instead of 321bhp, it also has traction control, slightly different dials, different alloy wheel colour, slightly lighter and a few other bits and pieces, and of course fewer were built, so this is what probably makes them more desirable. To those who have driven both, they say there's not much difference, but I just think that if it's the car you have always wanted, whatever make, you will always strive to get the one that everyone wants, just a male ego thing perhaps, we all like to show off, no matter what age we are. As you will probably know, we own the S54, steve. Edited by Nigel |
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1990 black sport evo- Now Sold
1988 325i touring ( written off ) 2002 ZM Coupe, hamann styling 328i touring ( '95 ) |
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evosport
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Joined: 25-July-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 171 |
Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:48 |
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John, looks like you have found a VERY special car, hope you enjoy it.
Going back to the main theme of the post, everyone wants to be different, if you can afford to buy the best version available to you at the time you will buy it, funds permitting. Some people buy Rolexs when a Timex, still tells the time just as well All e30 M3 are special, they having racing history, and we all appreciate their road holding etc. So whats the difference between at 195bhp E reg car and a 238 G Sport Evo, to quote Tony Halse from ML in Classic & Sport Car Feb 2002, " on a 100 mile cross county run both cars will still arrive bumper to bumper". Yes i do own one, but i still miss my first e30 M3, both of which have been used on track days, sprints and hillclimbs. Craig 1990 M3 Sport Evo 1988 M3 Dog 2002 330d Sport Touring |
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M3Pilot
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 31-October-2002 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 340 |
Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:34 |
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John,
it sound like you on the same slippery slope that most of us are. Your amougst friends here 
Welcome to the club and that's a fanstastic car you have there. |
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Robbie Bradford
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 16-July-2004 Location: Co. Laois, Ireland. Status: Offline Points: 2124 |
Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:31 |
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I'd imagine the yellow headlights must look cool and unusual, be nice to see a pic or two before you change them. I am also a fan of the smoked Hella lamps though.
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c76jon
Senior Member II 
Joined: 19-January-2005 Status: Offline Points: 178 |
Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:26 |
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thankyou all for your kind words yes its full bmwsh its already beckoning i can assure you nothing major tho ill only change what can be changed back and keep all original stuff ive kept the 16" wheels its still got yellow headlights as car was sold in france originally to an english guy who kept it a year and had moved back to uk.he p/exd it at dealership and owner i bought it off left them on so ive got some hella smoked on order as i think they look good against the dark blue i do love the evosport rear spoiler too ive got a genuine gurney flap i would just need the spoiler part...........oh here we go ive got a lot of stuff to go on at weekend just new leads,plugs,dizzy cap,rotor etc peace of mind really and due to mileage even tho its been serviced reguarly they are all nearly 17 years old if u see what i mean
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215DMX
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 14-May-2003 Location: Croydon Status: Offline Points: 1780 |
Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:10 |
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Also noticed it's got blue TB caps. So @ this mileage
must have been properly looked after. How long before the mod bug bites and S14.de is beckening your wallet... |
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215m3
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 10-May-2003 Location: Bathgate Status: Offline Points: 2118 |
Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:09 |
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Nice car John and nice series 5 wheels. One of the nicest wheel upgrade sfor the M3.
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c76jon
Senior Member II
Joined: 19-January-2005 Status: Offline Points: 178 |
Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:09 |
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lol its on order i pick it up saturday.
john |
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David 87M3 wrote:
and ****** nice it is.