Broken Sport evo

mogart1 wrote: 5. No I don't know the owner, but just looking at the facts - razzed - crashed - scrapped. It doesn't look very caring on the face of it.

Razzed - U mean like if someone blew a hole in the side of their M3 Engine?!?!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but u just blew yours?? Did anyone give you a hard time about it?? Did any idiot say "I don't know you, but because your engine blew up you must have been thrashing the pants of it!" No, they didn't! So have some respect for other people. FFS it's not like the guy went out to write it off!!!!

wow 1100+ views now on this thread !!!

The difference is I can be ****d to fix it, and didn't send it to the scrappers, and mine is a common e36 saloon, not a rare Evo sport.

I certainly did not mean these cars shouldn't be driven, there is just a balance between preserving a rare model and enjoying it, and pushing it to the limit, which is likely to end in the car being wrecked.

My opinion, no intention to be disrespectful to anyone - only started getting involved because I thought hiabboy had a good point and basically that its a shame some cars get turned into sheds. You must see this, even if you don't agree?

mogart1 wrote: The difference is I can be ****d to fix it, and didn't send it to the scrappers, and mine is a common e36 saloon, not a rare Evo sport. I certainly did not mean these cars shouldn't be driven, there is just a balance between preserving a rare model and enjoying it, and pushing it to the limit, which is likely to end in the car being wrecked. My opinion, no intention to be disrespectful to anyone - only started getting involved because I thought hiabboy had a good point and basically that its a shame some cars get turned into sheds. You must see this, even if you don't agree?

But once again, you DON'T know the situation... How do you know he can't be bothered to fix it?? Suppose he's been injured and is off work now - so he can't afford to fix it??

I can see where you and hiabboy are coming from, but you need to get a grip. What is worse, Driving a car as it was intended or putting aftermarker **** all over it? This guy put performancing enhancing equipment on it, not nasty Lexus lights, bling alloys or other offensive tat...

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Opinions are fine when you know what you are talking about.
Seems to me that people are so quick to make a statement when they
don't even know the facts, so why bother. I know that forums are place
where you can express your own opinions but if you don't know the
people or the facts its b******s!

I gather that John W did some very professional mods to that car and both
he and Potsy are pretty good drivers, but just because the car has been
written off doesn't make it max power special.

My Sport Evo has some sensible AC Schnitzer mods and it was like that
when I bought it. It's done 52k, 2 BDD's at my pace, 3k a year since I've
owned it has ££££'s spent on keeping it immaculate and gets polished far
too much. Now no-one on here really knows me, but if I were to have an
innocent accident in my car,(oooch the thought), I can imagine that I will
see posts on here that my Sport EVO had been razzed
crashed and scrapped, how wrong could they be!!!

Simon had an ACCIDENT in his Sport Evo and I expect he is gutted. I've
only met him once and he seemed like a good fella who had a turn of bad
luck. I guess he alone knows the secret of his car's misfortune......

Razzed, crashed and scrapped, No No No.

lancelotII wrote: The reason it was written off was beacuse of the silly prices for all the Evo Sport bits, like the front splitter arrangement which is about £1500 from BMW, for basically a load of plastic.....

Basically a load of plastic. That hits the nail on the head
its a bloody car. Would a 4 page thread be written about a standard E30M3?

Mmmm - track days in a fifteen grand E30 M3. You
could buy a Kumho E30 325i for less and see just
how good a driver you really are. Sorry, but expensive
track days cars are for pub bores who just want to
show the world how rich/stupid/vain they are. Real
drivers race, no excuses. If you can afford a Sport
Evo, you can afford to race. I don't race because I'm
not good enough.
I wonder how many M3 track day heroes could keep
up with a Matt Seldon's E30 325i in the wet?

Answer: Not Many, if any.

So when I see these guys with suede racing boots,
racing overalls and an expenive car at a track day, it
seems to me that they a) haven't got the balls to race
and b) haven't got the balls to race.

My point? Rather than drilling holes and bolting
useless rear cages in a nice road car, sell it to
someone who can appreciate it as the superb road
car it is (and yes, do the odd track day) and get
yourself on the grid..............unless of course you can't
make the grade as a driver.

MMmmm Andy Boy, sorry but this has prompted a rant...

I love track days, "pub bores?" I don't drink, well extremeley rarely. I love driving that much that I really don't need the pub. But then I bet that will prompt a few opinions too.

Just because I own an Evo3, DOESN'T mean that I can afford to race.

I don't consider myself as a track day hero either. But, I used to race a Fiesta XR2 and then a Fiesta Si which was really an RS1800i with Si bumpers. These were one make championships. I never cheated, unlike alot of other racers do, and won 4 out of 9 races I could afford to race in. The 1st race I won was in the XR2 at Castle Combe in torential rain. I qualified 5th, won the race by 13 seconds after the race was stopped on lap 8 due to the amount of cars aquaplaining off the circuit! I won a double header at Pembrey in my Si and got the lap record for this class in the 1st race and broke it again in the 2nd race. The last race I did, at Castle Combe in the Si, I qualified in 3rd (one tenth off pole time) This was achieved even though my gearbox had stuck in 4th gear on the 1st qualifying lap. I managed to change the gearbox before the race, and won it by about 7 seconds. I achieved all this on my own merit and stuck to all the rules. I don't like to preach about my achievements, I am really a shy quiet guy.

So, YES I used to race, and I know I can do it. Racing is a waste of money to those who can't really afford it. £160 for 10-15 laps qualifying then 10 laps of racing as long as the race 'aint stopped, that doesn't include trailering the car, hotel, damage, etc, etc,etc. You can spend over £1K before turning a wheel. You could do a road registered car for racing, drive it ther, race it, then what happens if you damage it, or the engine goes bang? You gotta trailer it really. I have been there, and I have done that. But when I raced, I couldn't afford a nice car like my EVO3. Now I got it, I CAN'T afford to race. I could afford the odd track day, as you suggest, where the competion is not out to lean on you round corners, or bumpo you up the rear under braking running you wide into a corner.

I have been thinking of having a go at the 318i / 320i challenge. But, it 'aint happening as the Evo3 is costing alot for a tip top resto at the moment. Its my choice, no-one elses.

Who cares about Matt Seldon and who can keep up in the wet? Surely, if he races regularly, no matter what he drives, people will probably will have a hard time keeping up.

I don't really want to say it, I don't boast. But, I can race, I am good enough to race. I have never had a rich dad to fund any of my racing, nor did I ever chase sponsers for money. If I had of done, who knows where I would be now. Not F1, but certainly touring cars. I accept I'm not, and I am happy with what I am doing now. I am not a pub bore, rich, stupid or vein. Aparrently I am a quick driver out of the box. I'm not a good speller though! LOL.

I can't think of many people who could drive my old Si flat, not a hint of a lift off the throttle in 5th gear, over Avon rise into Quarry corner at nudging 130 MPH, and still manage the quick line around Quarry corner. I suprised myself when I managed to do it. Now that takes alot of balls. ALOT of balls. Mind you, you couldn't do that on road tyres and standard brakes. Another one, Volvo 440 Turbo, Yes I did own one. From quarry corner all the way to tower corner before the cecanes were put in at Castle Combe, absolutely flat out, and yes that was including Old Paddock. No lift at all. No slide, no dramas, stayed on the track. Now whos talking about balls?

I never judge a driver before I have been head to head. I am certainly not Schuy, and as far as I am concerned everyone else is better than me. Anyway, whats wrong with the lads in thier suade boots, and overalls turning up at race circuits. Thats upto them. If they cant drive, then they can dream.... fair play to 'em.

My point to my previous post is, I personally want to take my Evo3 on the track now ang again, But, I can't risk anything happening to it, as all my money is going into this car. If someone takes thier Evo3 on the track and smash it, it was upto them, and they would surely have realised that something like that could happen.

If anyone was offended by this post, no offense was intended

John, you've clearly never been karting. If you had,
you'd realise that karting without actually racing
anyone else on the track would be rather dull. All
you're doing is driving around in circles although I'm
the first to admit that it can be fun - but not for race
car money thanks. I've won two Kart races in my
whole life (in about 20 races). One was in Gran
Canaria which is supposedly the longest kart circuit
in Europe. I turned up during a practice session for
under 15's (all sponsored semi pro with their own
karts) and beat all 12 of them. I weigh rather more
than any of these nippers and had never driven the
circuit before. Talentless eh Jon 90?
These racing suited and booted kids took it so
seriously that the second place nipper (from
France....) wouldn't even look at me after the race
and went off in a huff, beaten by a 13 stone Old Fart
in jeans and trainers in one of the circuit's own karts.

As for racing, how about renting an E30 race car for a
couple of events? Three words; Men, Boys,
Seperate. Arrange these into a well known phrase.
It'd be cheaper than your 911 as well.


Sheps M3 - respect to you mate, and a well
reasoned argument. But at least you have DONE IT.

And today my spelling is pretty grim too - edited!

Anyway, this has drifted somewhat from the topic.


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LMAO . Spot on