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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Topic: Highest mileage Nikasil engine? Posted: 23-January-2005 at 17:51 |
Just curious, with reports that BMW are ending the goodwill contributions to owners with Nikasil engine problems, are there any, or many, very high mileage nikasil engined cars out there? Any candidates for the record mileage? I'll start the bidding at 83k! |
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MattB106
Senior Member II Joined: 04-April-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 233 |
Posted: 24-January-2005 at 15:34 |
Damn, mine hasnt quite made 80k and the blokc is about to go in the bin
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MattB
E36 328i Sport in silver www.fotki.com/mattb106 |
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Del64
Really Senior Member I Double 6 driver Joined: 16-December-2002 Location: East Ayrshire Status: Offline Points: 420 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 05:12 |
I am aware of a few one with well over 170K still on the original nikasil block, also it now appears that in the US this is also starting to rear its ugly head too, Oh and Jaguar have the problem. but it seems the way the car is treated is the key, starting up and driving till hot and you appear to heve a minimal chance of a problem but multiple short journeys and not letting it warm through and you have trouble brewing.
Even though the V12 is Alusil, I will push her out the garage to wash her then only start her when i will be leaving for a long run pedantic i know but at two tonnes it's exercise innit?? |
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Phillip
Senior Member I Joined: 16-August-2004 Location: Nantwich, Cheshire Status: Offline Points: 100 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 05:29 |
Well I hope I am not tempting fate BUT....my car has 129500 miles as of this morning. And its has a nikasil block. More amazing I think is that I did 12000 miles between oil services (I know I know) and it was still bang on the full mark. Do you think its just a matter of time? Or do you think someone put a new bolck in and paid themselves..(I phoned BMW and they confirmed they hadn't replaced it)?
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Philip
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 07:13 |
I have just passed the 65k mark!
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 08:12 |
Phillip Through the experiences I read about on the board and elsewhere, it does not seem that its inevitable. Whether its luck or something else that a particular car avoids it, I don't know. I'm like you, my car gets serviced according to the lights and I don't do intermediate oil changes, but I do keep a close eye on the dipstick. In my case the level virtually doesn't budge between services and has never needed to be topped up (I've put 40k or so on mine in 2 years). If oil consumption is the symptom of a bad engine, then it seems that mine is fine. The only precaution I take is to make sure I buy reputable brands of fuel. Edited by Dergside |
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Phillip
Senior Member I Joined: 16-August-2004 Location: Nantwich, Cheshire Status: Offline Points: 100 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 08:38 |
Me too..I have never used cheap fuel in this car, usually BP but sometimes Shell. Actually, well where I live anyway, shell and BP are always the same price as the supermarkets so its a no brainer really. Lets just keep the fingers crossed hey!! |
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Philip
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skull
Really Senior Member II Joined: 20-April-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 640 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 09:09 |
mine went at 55k on a auto full history the lot, no problems bmw just sorted it within 2 days and after it felt like i had a bigger engine fitted ,even a bmw service bloke who drove it thought it was a 323 and not a 320
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just a little crazy.
My drive E46 M3 COUPE [MAN]CARBON BLACK GREY LEATHER H/K 19"s LED REARS S/B. |
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 26-January-2005 at 10:42 |
Skull Out of curiosity, what year was your 320? |
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ManicAJK
Newbie Joined: 18-January-2005 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: 29-January-2005 at 16:44 |
Mine as 75k on the clock with a nikasil block. The oil level is just over 3/4 but I only bought the car 2 weeks ago and I didn't check the level when i bought it so i don't know whether it has gone down or not. I will check the oil again after another 500 miles to see if the level changes at all.
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HantsBMW
Newbie Joined: 28-April-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 14 |
Posted: 02-February-2005 at 10:54 |
'92 730 V8 .... 89k so far, minimal oil useage in last 3k miles ... smooth tickover, starts fine, smooth as silk ....
So far so good ... When will I ever learn not to tempt fate!!! |
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MIKE 318IS
Really Senior Member II Joined: 21-March-2004 Status: Offline Points: 980 |
Posted: 02-February-2005 at 12:53 |
have a look at this about someone having to get a new engine at 160k because of the nikasil block http://www.e36coupe.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25577&hi ghlight= |
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HantsBMW
Newbie Joined: 28-April-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 14 |
Posted: 02-February-2005 at 15:36 |
Because of Nikasil block .... and perhaps 92k miles of minimal servicing? Edited by HantsBMW |
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MIKE 318IS
Really Senior Member II Joined: 21-March-2004 Status: Offline Points: 980 |
Posted: 02-February-2005 at 15:42 |
the car has not been to a main dealer since 92k does not mean that its not been serviced else where |
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 02-February-2005 at 16:44 |
In fairness, 160k isn't an unreasonable lifespan for an engine. You'd always hope for more, but by that stage other wear and tear factors like driving style, maintenance standards, etc. will start becoming more substantial factors and a reasonable number of failures will have started to occur. If mine gets to 160k I won't be feeling too hard done by if it throws a wobbly, especially bearing in mind that 122k is the record so far with Phillip.
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pma1ums
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-October-2004 Location: central uk Status: Offline Points: 1148 |
Posted: 03-February-2005 at 05:04 |
mines has done 124344 as of today ....of on a bizness trip so i bet you will see me stranded on the m62 at about 3 pm today ....so if you see a silver 98 323 on the road side .please dont stop by and tell me i told you so lol untill the day comes .but mine has nikasil block but i only run it on optimax ..fingers crossed chaps |
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Old shape!
Really Senior Member I Joined: 08-January-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 497 |
Posted: 07-February-2005 at 12:55 |
I'm not sure that the original cause of the problem is still around. It was the cheap naff fuel that was available at such places as supermarkets. Supermarket fuel now (And for some years) has appropriate primary additives in it, with only the "Special additives" left out.......those are in the mainline garage fuel of course. The Nikasil technology had worked for years in the motorbikes, the transfer to Cars was coincidental with the naff fuel being available. But the motorbikes still didn't suffer did they?......one presumes that Bikers sought cheaper fuel too? Thus, if your engine hasn't gone by now, it is unlikely to go. Probably.
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Paul DH
1994 E38 "Proud owner of a "3/4 engined E37.9 that's almost a real car with real paint...WITH 6 WASHER JETS!" 1989 520i (E34) Gone 1988 320i Coupe (E30) Gone 1995 520 Estate (E34) (Wife) 1992 320i SE OBC (E36) (Wife) Gone 1988 320i Saloon (E30) (Wife) Gone |
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Dergside
Really Senior Member II Joined: 16-May-2004 Location: Mid West, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 4000 |
Posted: 07-February-2005 at 13:25 |
Paul I agree with you to a point. In the early years of the problem, many of the engine failures were happening at fairly low mileages, presumably when the quality of fuel was still an issue. My concern is that in this poll, admittedly based on a very small sample, is showing the highest directly owned mileage as 130k (I've discounted Del64's report only because its a secondhand report rather than a direct owners experience). Over the past 6 months or so on this forum there have been a number of reports of engines letting go in recent times in the 70-100k mile ranges. I have no doubt that a lot of the damage to these engines occurred in the earlier years, but as far as the current owners are concerned, these are still premature failures versus expectations for this brand. Also, how many owners ran their engines out of oil, because they weren't expecting a consumption rate of a couple of litres every thousand miles or so and replaced their engines assuming the problem was down to their own carelessness and were never aware of how common the issue is? If an e30 with an m20 engine let go at these mileages owners would be shocked and the number that are around with 150k+ miles is astonishing. Admittedly, these have their own special issues with cooling and resultant head gasket issues. To your point on motorcycles and other engines using nikasil (including Jaguar on their V8's up to 00 or so and Porsche) and the fact that this doesn't seem to be as big an issue for them, maybe it points to something that BMW have long denied, that is that there was a fundamental weakness in their implementation of this technology? |
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pma1ums
Really Senior Member II Joined: 12-October-2004 Location: central uk Status: Offline Points: 1148 |
Posted: 07-February-2005 at 14:56 |
just for the record .regarding motorbike . ihave owned motorcross bikes from the age of 12 to 17 then on to road bikes for the rest of my years iam only thirty ..[still a pup ] a lot of my motorcross bikes had nikasil blocks and a few road bikes have had them too.however most motocross bikes have rebuilds at 5 to 10 thousand miles .because they are so highly tuned .even my rgv 250 road bike.had a nikasil .but they died at about 20 thousand miles .us owners knew about it .so allways had them rebuilt .or as we were then only 18 and been skint.. we just let them die on us .or flog them before .if we were lucky enought .. all the bikes that i have owned for some years and miles ive never had a problem with .but in saying that iam nearly certain they didnt have nikasil coating .they were kawaski 750 cc turbo .honda 900 fireblade .kawaski zx9 ..on those bikes i clocked mega miles on them all .all about up to 65 thousand mile [witch is classed high for bikes] and they were all thrashed and abused from coldish starts ..they never let me down .apart from the 750 turbo ..wanting a new back tyre every 1000 miles and a new turbo after 8 to 14000 miles ......only my experiances chaps for what its worth . |
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aussie840
Really Senior Member I Skip Joined: 07-June-2003 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 251 |
Posted: 08-February-2005 at 07:25 |
138,000km (84,500mi)M60 V8 nikasil here and no problems...but its always been fed well.
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