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    Posted: 01-March-2005 at 05:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-February-2005 at 21:39

Hi guys, just a quick one. Working in a wheel and tyre centre i come across this problem all the time.

When the vibration is felt through the entire vehicle then the problem is most definately at the rear.

If you have had your wheels balanced then do this and let me know

look to see if you have bang on weights on the inside and outside of the rim?

If not, do you have stick on weights on the inside of the rim but on the inner and outer edges?

If not are the weights just being put in one strip in the centre of the rim?

Check all four wheels

Any damaged wheel needs to removed from the vehicle immediately. you will be very surprised how bad a vibration can be caused from even minor flat spots on a rim.

Has anybody tried getting up to speed where the vibration can be felt and then slipped into neutral, if the vibration goes away then it's more likely to be engine or prop related, but this would also be felt under acceleration.

If it doesnt go away then the only thing can be is the wheels or tyres.

I once had a coil pack go down. That gave a misfire at about 4500 rpm and could easily be mistaken for a vibration. The only test for this is to buy a new coil and test each coil in between test drives. Everyone i know who has had a fault with coil packs and had diagnostic tests done have had the reports come back with no faults.

I'd be interseted to hear how you get on

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-February-2005 at 15:02

Finally got the car back today with a 2nd cat fitted to it...

Much improvement.  The vibration from revving is all but eliminated, but the cat reverberates a little...probably due to the fact I was too scabby to buy an OE one.  STill the car is feeling a lot more pleasurable to drive and made me realise why I bough the car in teh first place.

Now to bring me back the first cat to the supplier and try and get me money back.

This was also in the same day I was offered a '01 520i (2.2l), black with tan leather interiror and M-pack with lower than avg mileage for €26k.  I thought about it for an hour but resisted.  If it wasn't for a house purchase going through in the next month, I'd have had it next week.  SO if anybody is interested, let me know.  I've just seen the car a couple times, never drove it but is immaculate with FSH.  It'll be going to a BMW dealer soon to get traded in for a newer model.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2005 at 10:52

Tom,

As you know i had all 4 tyres replaced in my quest to cure the vibration.  I went back to the original tyres which are Conti Eco Contacts.  I had my car from new so I know for sure they are the original equipment.  My wheels although a different style to yours are exactly the same size.  The tyre size is 225/55/16.  My original set lasted 33000 miles. I decided to fit Fulda extremos (directional aquatread type) as replacements on advice from a mate.  Right from the start it was a bad decision.  They were terrible for tramlining and my fuel consumption went through the roof.  i.e on the 800 mile round trip from Oxfordshire to Scotland which i do around 5 times per year I'd get approx 34mpg at around 90mph depending on wind direction and wet roads.  With the Fuldas I was only getting 29 mpg on the same journey.  I saved £40 on the set of tyres but calculated that over 33000 miles they'd cost me about £1000 more in fuel.  Now I have new Contis back on, the difference is amazing.  The steering and directional stability is so much better and the economy has improved already.  The ride is smoother and so much quieter it is unbelieveable.  So my advice is get the Contis.  You won't be dissapointed.  They are what the car was meant to have and it really shows.  I didn't think tyres could make such a difference.  Now I know better.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-February-2005 at 04:12

Update on my exhaust....it appears the new cat I got fitted has failed already....it is buzzing away underneath and is making a rattling sound where the 2 pipes merge into one.  I got a replacement one from the supplier so it's going in Thursday night.

Just got car back last night after both front thrust arms and bushes replaced and left control arm replaced.  Front end now a lot more solid and tighter and car feels a lot sharper over bumps & uneven surfaces.  The rolling vibration has definately almost completely gone.  When the credit card has had time to recover, I think a new set of boots should make it even better.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-February-2005 at 06:17

Hi phllip glad you are enjoying your car!.You will find that if you drive quite enthusiasticly the asc will come on easily! Only time i find it annoying is when at a roundabout when its wet and you need to pull away quickly it cuts the power for a few seconds,mind you beats sitting ther with both wheels spinning !. Maybe you can post some pic's when you have some .ENJOY.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-February-2005 at 05:15
Well I brought it home with me last night...12 monts MOT and 30, yes 30 months platinum warranty (probably crap but well) and 6 months tax. When I drove it it had terrible brake judder sad.gif which he said he would fix. Now call me cynical but a) the garage is 70 miles away and did't want to return and  would rather get it done myself. So he gave me £200 in cash. Last time I had them done on my old car they were £180 so I am happy with that. And having driven it to work this morning what a beast hey...overtook someone who was going 30 and the ASC light came on biggrin.gif , now in the 520 that never happened. I love it and it feels so much "newer". Happy me and I must thank all you guys for your advice and help...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-February-2005 at 16:36

Hi phillip sorry to hear about your problems with your 520i .I own a e39 528ise best car ive ever had ! smooth torquey straight six,comftable capable cruiser ENJOY!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-February-2005 at 15:49

I know its a bit extreme really, but I have spent upwards of £600 and its still not fixed, its done 129k miles...how much do I spend?? It needs 4 new tyres at about £400 so I just had enough. Surely better to put money into something else? It woudnt bother me  but I do a 120 mile round trip every day and of course the vibration is at its worst between 70 and 90...so I either do 60 (too slow) OR 100..which is great but risky

So thats it..528 here I come. And from what I read the consumption will be no worse and some say better. We will see. I will keep my fingers crossed for you Toxic...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-February-2005 at 14:59

a bit extreme Phil....I suppose if you're not happy then you go with it..

 

I'm getting my exhaust finally sorted tomorrow and the arms/bushes done Tuesday, so I'm hoping Wed I'll be driving mine and it will feel like a 2003 car????

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-February-2005 at 14:47

Well I have the car back and its a little better but its all still there

So I went to see a new one today and just called them back to say I am taking it!!! Provided no-one else buys it between now and 7.30 tomorrow night (the first time I can get there) I will be collecting a 1999 silver 528 SEA with leather and car kit, front lip spoiler, brand new 18 inch wheels and brand new tyres with a full history, just had an inspection 2 at Synters. Lets hope I get from work tomorrow in time. Its all subject to a test drive..didnt have time today. So how different will it be from a 520???



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-February-2005 at 03:47

Hi Toxic,

Just dropped my car off and asked for a proper breakdown of the quote...£19.50 each side for the bushes and £45 per side labour. I got confused as I thought he was chrging me £30 per side labour...but he is £30 an hour and he said the job takes 1.5hrs ish. He has only done one before on an e39 and thats how long it took but he will charge less if it is quicker. So not too bad I think...like i said if it fixes it I don't really care how much.I will let you know tonight.. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-January-2005 at 14:59
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Its an independant. Two hours labour at £30 per hour and the rest the parts. Hope I am not being ripped off but he is a good guy and been doing german cars for 20 years.If I had a FBMWSH i would go to BM but I don't.And  I am about as handy with spanners myself as a fish.

 

 

The bushes should only cost about £40 for a pair unless he is getting them from the main dealer, but if you can find a febi agent motor factors, try and pick them up yourself.  The febi part number for the pair of bushes is 09005, assuming you have a 6 cylinder.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-January-2005 at 10:51

Its an independant. Two hours labour at £30 per hour and the rest the parts. Hope I am not being ripped off but he is a good guy and been doing german cars for 20 years.If I had a FBMWSH i would go to BM but I don't.And  I am about as handy with spanners myself as a fish.

 

 

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Originally posted by Phillip Phillip wrote:

"Quote"  Paranoia is rife with me also.   Most places I've brought the car said it was all in my head......."I've driven worse than this..." and "it's only a very small vibration...you wouldn't even notice it".

I'm not really too bothered whether they've driven worse, fact is, my car has driven better and I want it back that way. "Quote"

Toxic the cost was for the whole job, inc. labour. And you rae completely right. I don't care if there are worse about..I want my car back the way it was too.

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Phillip, sorry didn't realise you were across the pond and the price was in £.

I take it you're going to a dealer?

 

OTTO also told me that the original parts are made by LEMFORDER.  I thought and so did joe318is think it was Febi.  Need to jack up and check was stamped on teh arms before I buy.



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"Quote"  Paranoia is rife with me also.   Most places I've brought the car said it was all in my head......."I've driven worse than this..." and "it's only a very small vibration...you wouldn't even notice it".

I'm not really too bothered whether they've driven worse, fact is, my car has driven better and I want it back that way. "Quote"

Toxic the cost was for the whole job, inc. labour. And you rae completely right. I don't care if there are worse about..I want my car back the way it was too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-January-2005 at 10:33
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I am now booked in on Tuesday for upper control arm bushes. £151.26 inc VAT. Don't know whether this is expensive but hey, already wasted about 1k on changing things that don't need it so who cares.

Will let you know on tuesday.

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Philip, is that price just for the bushes or bushes & labor?

I got a price from OTTO in Ranelagh this afternoon for the Upper arms & bushes only at €103.57+VAT.  I'm going to replace the arm as well as the bushes, since the arm has to come out anyway and the ball joint on the arm has to be popped out at the hub carrier.  This could cause the ball joint to weaken prematurely and you could be back down the same road in 6mths time.

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Thanks Tom.  Its almost certainly the cat.  I had John Roche check it out for me after it started to rattle when he did some track control arms for me a few months ago, hoping it might just be the regular exhaust.  But no such luck.  In the last week or so its suddenly gotten worse.  It gets a little better when the car warms up.  You mentioned in a post about something happening at 2k revs.  Since I got this one at exactly 2k revs on the clock I got a very slight roughness that disappeared at about 2100 rev.  Now, there is a great rattle at the exact same point, so I'm guessing the two are linked.  In the beginning I was paranoid that it might be nikasil related!

Paranoia is rife with me also.   Most places I've brought the car said it was all in my head......."I've driven worse than this..." and "it's only a very small vibration...you wouldn't even notice it".

I'm not really too bothered whether they've driven worse, fact is, my car has driven better and I want it back that way.  I'd say the roughness you talk about could be the cat, replacing mine made it better, but since the back box is also goosed, it's not completely gone.

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I am now booked in on Tuesday for upper control arm bushes. £151.26 inc VAT. Don't know whether this is expensive but hey, already wasted about 1k on changing things that don't need it so who cares.

Will let you know on tuesday.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-January-2005 at 10:02

Thanks Tom.  Its almost certainly the cat.  I had John Roche check it out for me after it started to rattle when he did some track control arms for me a few months ago, hoping it might just be the regular exhaust.  But no such luck.  In the last week or so its suddenly gotten worse.  It gets a little better when the car warms up.  You mentioned in a post about something happening at 2k revs.  Since I got this one at exactly 2k revs on the clock I got a very slight roughness that disappeared at about 2100 rev.  Now, there is a great rattle at the exact same point, so I'm guessing the two are linked.  In the beginning I was paranoid that it might be nikasil related!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-January-2005 at 09:06
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As for tyres....any recommendations as to what people use?

Tom

I replaced mine a few months ago and got Pirelli P7's.  Not overly impressed.  Seems like the consumption has dropped off by about 1.5 mpg and they don't feel quite as communicative.  Having said that, I can't be sure that tracking isn't contributing to the problem a bit.

I had the Conti's before these and they felt better.  Goodyear Eagles seem to be recommended here by many as well.

TJ pointed me to Rathcormac Tyres (025) 36301, near Fermoy and their prices were excellent.  Couldn't beat them with Dave McCann or Eiretyres (the other outfits recommended this side of the pond).

I missed out on some of this thread earlier.  My cat is has been on the way out and last week started to sound like a tin of marbles so I'll need to get that done.  Did you get the bits for that yourself or did your service guy?  What sort of cost did that come to.  I'm hoping its not going to be as eye watering as KBannon's!

I got a price up North last time for about €130 each inc. fitting for Dunlop Sport 8000's.  I'm not sure if that can be beaten down here.  I know the place in Rathcormac, I pass by every time going to Cork.

I'm going to Cork in April and also the North so I'll compare the 2 prices.

I got the cat from GSF with the sleeve and gaskets at just under €400.  Got a local mechanic to fit it but it wasn't fitted 100% straight and needs a minor adjustment.  Just make sure it's the cat before you go shelling out the yoyo's.  My back box is a bit 'marbly' also...grab the tail pipe and give it a shake and see if the marbles can be heard in there.  It could be that and would save you €200.

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