E30 M3 Vs Clio Williams... hmmmm

don't talk about  slowband to me!!  was on the phone 2 hours today trying to sort mine!!  arghhhhhhhhhh!!!

 

happy new year!! i should be out partying, instead i'm in the house on my own as the missus is working nightshift!!  oh well!!  

Stone-IslandM3 wrote: Just to add my twopennysworth I've just become a victim of this with a thread on a forum by someone in a Civic Rtype who apparently left my E36 3L for dead in MK on Christmas Eve. John

Yup John, like I say - you hear it. Know what you mean about engine temp i.r.o S50s and those CTR guys should know also to give their engines time - tho' they're less highly tuned as the old ITR B18.

I've drove a CTR on a 72 hr test drive (not continuous mind ) and it's no way as quick as the 3L but you don't need me to say that. On paper there's a big difference and on the road there's a big difference. I used to own a (le) 2000 black Integra Type R - 8900rpm redline - lighter and much quicker than the CTR. But you really had to work it tho I'd give a lot fo that Honda gera box. But M3 in a different pleague power wise. CTR on the other hand has a bit of oomph at 6000 but i's short lived as the power band is narrower at the top end and tho more torque low down - it's only hot hatch league. What to watch are Alfa GTAs and Focus RS etc.. quicker and more torque.

Of course power-wise we're being left behind by the Jap rice brigade and I know too many guys with 400-700bhp Supras and Skyline GTRs and a 350bhp+ scoobies will cause our cars serious grief and no contest on the turns. Even 300+ MR2-Turbos are a nuisance.

Of course a lot of these guys on the forums know only one thing - peak power and really don't undertand anything like engine flexibility as they drive their car only 1 way.. foot to floor, max revs... and completely ignorant to engine reliability or safety for that matter.

I've started to get over the power thing even though I'm getting used to M's shove. Of course unless the next gen M3 really steps up the game I might just give CA Auotech's Roy an MCoupe to convert to 540bhp turbo spec.

But let them go - what what do we have to prove. But if you really want to play then abandon your Autobahn gearing and stick in a lareg final ratio and then blow 'em away.

 

 

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I must admit I derive a certain amount of joy from demonstrating my car against 1.2 Clios with 5" exhausts.

There was No need for me to do it, but I couldnt help myself after he pulled away a bit sharpish.

I agree Sohlman,

Much as I love my E30 M3 I do have respect for the Renalut Clio Williams. Remember that there are also several phases of the Willaims. The later ones were a bit quicker than the first ones.

I'm not saying I'd have one though. Build quality is second to none on the BMW. I like the look of the Lancia Integrales, but I know they were a bit 'fragile'! They would also give our cars a good run for there money.

What I do find funny is the nova crew with there 'bling' wheels and the like - innit mush!

Pikey

James,

Sorry but most off the thread has gone a bit off the point and onto ludicrous claims, not slating other cars in which case the argument over which car is quicker/faster is relevant cos theres a lot of poo being bandied around other forums.

I'm not slating Williams Clios but then again how many real ones are there around and not just 1.2s with lairy body kits on.

Its also not just other cars that suffers this on this and other BM forums-look at other threads on this site and you'll see that the E30 is the one and only true M3, the E36 is dead handling wise, the 3L is much slower than the Evo, the E....blah blah blah. Its going on everywhere and just boils down to personal opinion. What I object to and most of this thread seems to highlight is the poo spouted with preposterous claims.

Thats my rant for the night, sorry.