E30 M3 Vs Clio Williams... hmmmm

James,

Sorry but most off the thread has gone a bit off the point and onto ludicrous claims, not slating other cars in which case the argument over which car is quicker/faster is relevant cos theres a lot of poo being bandied around other forums.

I'm not slating Williams Clios but then again how many real ones are there around and not just 1.2s with lairy body kits on.

Its also not just other cars that suffers this on this and other BM forums-look at other threads on this site and you'll see that the E30 is the one and only true M3, the E36 is dead handling wise, the 3L is much slower than the Evo, the E....blah blah blah. Its going on everywhere and just boils down to personal opinion. What I object to and most of this thread seems to highlight is the poo spouted with preposterous claims.

Thats my rant for the night, sorry.

I agree Sohlman,

Much as I love my E30 M3 I do have respect for the Renalut Clio Williams. Remember that there are also several phases of the Willaims. The later ones were a bit quicker than the first ones.

I'm not saying I'd have one though. Build quality is second to none on the BMW. I like the look of the Lancia Integrales, but I know they were a bit 'fragile'! They would also give our cars a good run for there money.

What I do find funny is the nova crew with there 'bling' wheels and the like - innit mush!

Pikey

I must admit I derive a certain amount of joy from demonstrating my car against 1.2 Clios with 5" exhausts.

There was No need for me to do it, but I couldnt help myself after he pulled away a bit sharpish.

Stone-IslandM3 wrote: Just to add my twopennysworth I've just become a victim of this with a thread on a forum by someone in a Civic Rtype who apparently left my E36 3L for dead in MK on Christmas Eve. John

Yup John, like I say - you hear it. Know what you mean about engine temp i.r.o S50s and those CTR guys should know also to give their engines time - tho' they're less highly tuned as the old ITR B18.

I've drove a CTR on a 72 hr test drive (not continuous mind ) and it's no way as quick as the 3L but you don't need me to say that. On paper there's a big difference and on the road there's a big difference. I used to own a (le) 2000 black Integra Type R - 8900rpm redline - lighter and much quicker than the CTR. But you really had to work it tho I'd give a lot fo that Honda gera box. But M3 in a different pleague power wise. CTR on the other hand has a bit of oomph at 6000 but i's short lived as the power band is narrower at the top end and tho more torque low down - it's only hot hatch league. What to watch are Alfa GTAs and Focus RS etc.. quicker and more torque.

Of course power-wise we're being left behind by the Jap rice brigade and I know too many guys with 400-700bhp Supras and Skyline GTRs and a 350bhp+ scoobies will cause our cars serious grief and no contest on the turns. Even 300+ MR2-Turbos are a nuisance.

Of course a lot of these guys on the forums know only one thing - peak power and really don't undertand anything like engine flexibility as they drive their car only 1 way.. foot to floor, max revs... and completely ignorant to engine reliability or safety for that matter.

I've started to get over the power thing even though I'm getting used to M's shove. Of course unless the next gen M3 really steps up the game I might just give CA Auotech's Roy an MCoupe to convert to 540bhp turbo spec.

But let them go - what what do we have to prove. But if you really want to play then abandon your Autobahn gearing and stick in a lareg final ratio and then blow 'em away.

 

 

Edited by M BLUR

don't talk about  slowband to me!!  was on the phone 2 hours today trying to sort mine!!  arghhhhhhhhhh!!!

 

happy new year!! i should be out partying, instead i'm in the house on my own as the missus is working nightshift!!  oh well!!  

Lost out to a Golf TDI who was going for it today, but then again I was slowing down because of the queue at the roundabout and was going to Sainsbury's.

It's my birthday today

Wonkydog is 41, but still buys Max Power, anyone like the silver M3 on the cover?

Darren M wrote: An E30 M3 can beat a Z3 M coupe from 20 to 90mph (according to an article I read).

er.. I don't think so.  Depends on gearing. A healthy/sorted MCoupe can hit 100 from standstill in about 10-11 secs (traction permitting) which would match an E30M3 from 20mph. I'd say article was complete nonsense. On track of course the E30M3 can make a ZMC very honest unless there are any long straights.

My Zm was absolutely slaughtering 230bhp Exiges out of Taylor's hairpin at KH (which is a second gear 20-30mph tight right hander up a pit straight to about 115-120mph).. and I mean slaughtered. John's tuned ZMC (Zoom Motorsport) was giving lambos headaches at Bruntingthrope.

As far Clios wupping E30's.. don't put too much on what young boys say they have beaten.. it takes 2 to have a race. What glory was there for any M3 driver to race a Renault.. nuff said. A Clio wont get close to a well driven/sorted E30M3. But beign fwd it's an easier car to drive to its limits.. so a lot depends on driver.

You do hear stuff.. mainly because few M owners race sheds.. I used to keep going into a local specialist (MMV - Stirling) and kept being told how a m8 of his in his tuned Nova beat a ZM Roadster (in a straight line). Simply to say that the guy tunes mostly Vauxhalls and I no longer frequent the establishment as it was clear that the guy was clearly delusional.  Funny that these vauxhalls don't appear at the drag strip.. I just smile and put in 13 deads a;; day long. 12s will always be a struggle becausde of poor 60fts (traction) but I hope Racelogic will help there.

I followed an old Mk2. RS1800 along a back lane.. the guy clearly knew the road and was giving it everything.. mostly sideways and pulled clean air ahead of the M. Of course I didn't come out of third gear once and the dual mass fly can show a little reluctance below 3000rpm whereas I could hear multiple redline gear changes going in the Escort and the wee Ford was smoking.. Of course he'll know spread on the forums how he beat a ZM Roadster.. ahh bless.

I look out for things worth 'following' and of course that runs the risk of being beaten but I'd rather lose fair and square than wup dross or worse still lose because I missed a gear change. wot's the pt of placing the stress on the car to beat sheds..?

Keep the racing for the race track and you wont see many Clios in your mirrors.

Best 2 all.

 

Edited by M BLUR

Must admit,I gave into the dark side and had a blast with one on the way back from getting my car mapped,a couple of years ago,when it was standard.
It was in the lanes around Kent,very close.Later found out that his had been breathed on,when he pulled up along side and said how impressed he was with my car.Totally blanked him,because he was driving a pile of French crap must admit I was supprised at the way it went!
Show me one that`s over twelve years old,and can still hold it`s own,and I might change my opinion.

Jon

It doesn't matter which is faster...what would you rather drive - a suped up renault clio or a BMW M3 ?

Both cars are very capable...but also very different.

Funny how weveryone knows a car that beats 'M3's'. I take that as a sign of respect