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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 12:12
Hmm, wonder if "Motorists Against Detection" are going to step up their membership recruiting drive....

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where do i sign up?  ive got the land rover with chain on standby


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 12:54

Originally posted by Goldryder Goldryder wrote:

Cos if you insist on being an habitual speeder, you ain't adult enough to drive a car anyway.  Taking responsibility for your actions, only you can do that, not some overpriced gizmo sat on the dashboard screaming like a banshee.  Speeding is stupid, dangerous and just not necessary..we all have done it and grown out of it..those who haven't grown out of it, maybe need to quit driving before they take someone elses life.  Perhaps an age/experience related cc/bhp limit should be introduced too.

they do say that reformed drivers are the worst kind


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 13:50
Originally posted by stephenperry stephenperry wrote:

they do say that reformed drivers are the worst kind



I detect a kind of "born again" fundamentalism

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 13:58

whats that saying?

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 14:35

the real bugbear that the police and government have is that countermeasures to prevent or hinder speed detection mean that they lose out on revenue, it's got little to do with safety, as im sure everyone who has spotted a mobile or fixed speed trap in the middle of nowhere with no immediate threat nearby, be it road layout or proximity of hazards, concurs

laser detectors will tell you when the police are toting laser guns, obviously they will alert you to this fact - hopefully they put it on a car thats in front of you(moral of the story?  let the lead-footed person lead the way!), thereby giving you enough time to slow down from a minor infraction of the speed limit (say 70mph in a 60) before they move the gun onto you

radar detectors will tell you if those fixed gatsos are live or not - if they aren't, then in theory you could blast through them with impunity - if they don't send out radar, then they don't receive it back (the doppler effect), and they don't get a fix on your speed

that's why the government want radar/laser detectors banned - read the official statements published recently

gps detectors are okay in the governments eyes cos they just give you a heads-up to be careful - speed detection device in the vicinity,  saves your attention from diverting from the speedo and won't tell you if they are live or not, unlike the aforementioned detectors

and heres some refreshingly non-biased info from a company that sells them:

http://www.radar-guys.com/faqs.htm

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 20:11
Hmmm, all very interesting..
Braking distances were based on a Ford Anglia circa 1960's (so my dad is ok since he has one ). But things have come a long way since then, to pass a driving test now is much harder than it used to be.. Insurence costs keep all but the richest youngster away from using powerfull cars (or their parents form putting them on their insurence..no offence to anyone on here)

I've found that when driving at night, I have exceeded the speed limit several times, with no other traffic on the road, and no danger to anyone/myself.

I'm not condoning going over the top end of what the law says, but I will say a bit of common sense is needed before doing so, you must take into account the weather, traffic etc. (which goes without saying)

I also think that age should be related to the power of the car you drive, no-one in there right mind should belive a 17 year old youngster is capeable of driving, say a 600+bhp Skyline straight after passing a test in a metro/fiesta..
Exactly the same reason applies to bikes, there are age restrictions on the size of machine you can drive, as well as power restriction after passing your test (unless you are of a cetain age, and have taken an accelerated course)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 20:36

i agree wholeheartedly Rhys, a few local stories which stick in my mind

1994 - some young hotshoe in an orion overtook a string of cars coming up to a junction on the outskirts of elgin (40 mph limit), 3 teenagers in a metro pulling out of said junction weren't expecting to have to look both ways....

4 people dead (metro and orion), case has just been closed this week - a copper who attended the scene has been awarded for trauma caused by said accident

quite a spectacle, i was there to witness the aftermath after the crash

another crash, bit more recently, a kawasaki hit a car after cutting a bend, again on the scene before the services but after other folks.... foot down to elgin police station as noone had a clue as to what was happening (yes im a bad boy, speeding tut tut) police cars, road closed, ambulance, both rider and pillion passenger tangled up in fence... one dead and couldnt be removed for fear of hurting the live one.... later pronounced dead... was there for that too

and the story of the local 17 year old given the keys to a then brand new ford escort rs turbo by his father as a birthday present.. dead days later... wrapped it round a tree

i could go on, but i dont need to preach to the converted, these things happen every day, hopefully not to you, those you love, or those you know

ive done some really stupid things in the past  and lived to tell the tale, they didnt seem stupid at the time, but hindsight is a wonderful teacher

im not going to do a holier than thou thing, who would you rather trust?  someone whos been there, done that and can tell you to watch out for the pitfalls cos youre going to do it anyway, or someone whos sanctimonious and of the "thou shalt not" attitude?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-December-2004 at 20:51

another more interesting law that has been passed is the positioning of speed cameras, after a long report it was deemed that most of the cameras were in useless positions and only put there to make revenue for the department

now they are going to put in more usefull positions ie actual and not fictional blackspots

yes gps based detectors dont tell u whether the camera is alive or not but it does tell u if its there which is kind of the whole point anyway  its also warned me of risk zones as they are called

i remember earlier this year when i was heading down the A9 it went off and warned me to slow down which i did so i could see the riskzone in ? and as i braked wouldnt u know it if a deer just shot across the road, now thats wot i call a fortunate happenstance

remember the old days before gatso's took off, when u got caught by actual policemen and given the stern lecture about speeding?

that really hit home when i first got caught speeding

remember radar detectors are illeagal in parts of the US and france but that doesnt stop them being used does it? food for thought

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-December-2004 at 07:25

All very interesting, as an ex motorcyclist and someone who likes driving fast but recognises it's not always appropriate and never really "necessary".

I think proper training and experience are the way forwardpossibly as said above, some restriction on what you can drive initially - rather than gatsos evey few hundred yards, many of which, as said above, are in totally stupid places.

I remember the police "chats" only too well from my biker days, "In a race were we sonny" - Only response ""yes officer" or "No officer" lol

Happy and safe motoring everyone! 

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[QUOTE=Goldryder]And 30mph will still kill a child.

>>> NO mention of parental training whatsoever?????, how come ALL the Safety partnerships are NOT Shouting "Green Cross code " Day & Night????? cos there is No money in it and Look Look Look, isnt as Dramatic, as Speed Kills.93% of accidents are not speed related--NOT that this fact is included in any DOT Bliarspeak.Just the same as the 4000 death,s each year in the Home--is of No concern-NO money!!

So the answer for habitual speeders is to have a DOT restrictor in the car, and only work use (So TAX can be paid) So presume habitual Drug & Drinkers will get an electric shock from state fitted wrist strap, each time they have a thought.Why not take it to the Logical end, get Chippeduk to get US rechipped, sounds like the "Thought Police", maybe someone could write a book about it--1984--BUT-- its already a way of life-NOW.

We need to preserve OUR Right of Freedom & choice, NOT surrender it to govt parasites.



 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-December-2004 at 16:17
In case you haven't noticed, there might be a General Election coming up next year.

So, that leaves you with a straight choice:

More of the same

OR

















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possibly more of the same....


Oh, the agony of choice....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-December-2004 at 16:37

I was doing 60mph on a National Speed Limit road at 3am this morning, when suddenly infront of me is a drunken 20stone hussey, walking down the white centre lines, arms outstretched, not a care in the world.

Obviously the countless redbull n vodkas and smirnoff ices inside her had made her immortal, and also oblivious to my loud horn and flashing lights.

Managed to miss her anyway (feared the car would have bumped off her, not t'other way round to be honest)

But a speedcamera in that situation wouldnt have saved her life (as I wasnt speeding), so I agree with the general concesus of B7 VP's arguement and think that the penalties for such stupid behaviour should be more publicised, infact she should inherit my 3 points that I received last month for doing 36mph on a duel carriageway (missed the 30 sign that was located moments before)

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Should have just treated her as a traffic island..

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Originally posted by Rhys Rhys wrote:

Should have just treated her as a traffic island..

Nah would have well lost my front lip spoilers .... Im always up for a big hump, but she was taking the mick!


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Originally posted by Praktisk Praktisk wrote:

Originally posted by Rhys Rhys wrote:

Should have just treated her as a traffic island..


Nah would have well lost my front lip spoilers .... Im always up for a big hump, but she was taking the mick!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-December-2004 at 17:39
Originally posted by B 7 VP B 7 VP wrote:

[QUOTE=Goldryder]And 30mph will still kill a child.

>>> NO mention of parental training whatsoever?????, how come ALL the Safety partnerships are NOT Shouting "Green Cross code " Day & Night????? 
 

No matter how much you tell them, occaisonally kids are going to run accross the road without looking. Yes instilling the highway code is a good start but it's Motorists who need to take most of the responsibillity in looking out for kids when driving in built up areas, after all it's the drivers that are the grown ups. Do you have children?  I don't, but I know that it just isn't possible to watch them 24 hours a day.

No prizes for guessing that your not a fan of the Labour party. Well if you think that the rest will be any better then I think you may be dissappointed.

You sound a bit like a Daily mail headline lol biggrin1

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-December-2004 at 19:07
SPEEDING DOSNT KILL bad driving does , define the word speeding , the government uses every accident that involves a moving car even if it reversed into you and hurt you as a speeding offence and is logged that way regardless of the actual speed it was doing that is how they get the inflated figures.
i used a road angel of my mates in his car and to be honest i didnt like it ,i would rather concentrate on where ime going ,and that includes looking for speed cams ,you cant look where you are going if all you do is look at your speedo all the time either .
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[QUOTE=Peter Fenwick][QUOTE=B 7 VP] 
 

No matter how much you tell them, occaisonally kids are going to run accross the road without looking. Yes instilling the highway code is a good start but it's Motorists who need to take most of the responsibillity in looking out for kids when driving in built up areas, after all it's the drivers that are the grown ups. Do you have children?  I don't, but I know that it just isn't possible to watch them 24 hours a day.

No prizes for guessing that your not a fan of the Labour party. Well if you think that the rest will be any better then I think you may be dissappointed.

You sound a bit like a Daily mail headline lol biggrin1

 >> Yes!! I have grownup children, who now teach their own 3-5 year olds the green cross way, and at this age--they can tell you not to go near the road.This is far better than Blaming every one else, Cos THAT-doesnt bring them back if they are a Statistic.

If being a Freedom loving person, who Will fight for My freedom of choice,and it sounds like a Newspaper--I AM yer Man!!!!Perhaps many people in the UK, do NOT realise just how much of their democratic rights have been Stolen by this band of Crooks, and more are going every month.

If one says something often enough,some people begin to beleive it, as Fact, just like Ol King Bliar,s New Clothes--ME!! I got 20/20 Vision.

 

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I don't think it's about blaming everyone else. To much emphasis these days is put on laying blame. I'm just talking about looking out for others especially children who don't always know better, especially if there parents don't teach them.

You give the impression of thinking that the government is part of some big conspiricy to steal our democratic rights. I don't think it is like that. These days the government are held accountable for everything. My child is a hooligan, it must be the governements fault. The stock market isn't doing well, the government are too blame. They are so busy trying to cover themselves from the constant critisism that they are bound to try and use ledgislation. Don't forget that the lobby for speed cameras etc is just as big as that against.

I'm not saying that I agree with the whole speed camera issue, because I don't (except outside of schools etc). Some of the new laws I agree with, some I don't, but that's just life. I can't expect the whole country to agree with me and do exactly what I want because if that was the case we genuinely wouldn't be free. 

 

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