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UweM3
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Posted: 20-December-2004 at 13:28 |
latest addition, Dave's 2.0 monster (sorry Dave)
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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Houlbt
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Posted: 22-December-2004 at 05:34 |
Uwe... you have mail, I've sent you my figures... which I pulled off the print out I have from Bexleys in November 2002 when the first remap was done.
Peak power was 232.9 at 7080rpm... not bad for a 2.3 with the relatively smaller Schricks.
Will let you know the new numbers in the New year with the airbox/mbe fitted though not expecting great gains just better mid range throttle response and something extra to polish.
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UweM3
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Posted: 22-December-2004 at 07:47 |
Ok Tom I will punch you in as soon I get round to it.
Looks like I have to split the graphs into 2 sections.
up to 2.3 and above.
Any suggestions?
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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jon90
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Posted: 29-December-2004 at 18:44 |
Recount 257.2 bhp.Not that the numbers mean a thing.
Had an over fueling problem corrected,is now much sharper and found another 5 horses,which was nice
Jon
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SHEPSM3
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UK Sport Evolution.
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Posted: 29-December-2004 at 20:22 |
Hi, I've looked at my dyno sheet I had done on a new SUN Dyno, admittedly its got some problems, but engine is a standard 2.5L rebuilt with about 30K on it, Superchips and Hayward & Scott exhaust:
Flywheel Power: 184.6 BHP @ 7114 RPM
Road Wheel power: 160.3 BHP @ 7114 RPM
Losses : 28 BHP
Max Torque: 142 lbs/ft @ 6324 RPM.
Will get the printout posted on here as soon as I can. The torque curve goes up and down dramatically too ie 3550 rpm to 4400 rpm has the same torque figure, 4400 to 4600 has less torque (10lbs/ft less!) then it rises 45lbs/ft to 5050 rpm, dropping 15lbs/ft to 5500 rpm, and so on. The power though does have flatspots, but is much, much smoother that the torque curve and doesnt drop any BHP, just rises less in those points where the torque drops. Laughable 'aint it!
Any Ideas would be welcomed.
I do have a Miltek exhaust coming for it.
Paul.
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DAWIEM3
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Posted: 30-December-2004 at 04:01 |
ShepsM3,
The figures you have posted are similar to a standard 2.0l S14. It may be worth checking your stroke, as externally all these engines whether 2.0L, 2.3L and 2.5L look exactly the same. A 2.5 L should make more power than that.
I take, it does have 4 cylinders, not six ???
How long have you had the car, and has it been like this from the start?
Goodluck.
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E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong )
E30 M3 Track Car
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E30 C2 2.7 Alpina
E36 M3 3.2 EVO
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UweM3
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Posted: 30-December-2004 at 04:03 |
184.6 bhp Flywheel power with a 2.5??????
There is something badly wrong, the dyno or your engine.
You should see at least 220bhp from a standard SportEVO.
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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SHEPSM3
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Posted: 30-December-2004 at 16:32 |
Hi, thanks for your comments on my power output.
It IS a 2.5 4 cylinder. All engine block numbers are genuine and correct. Its not the engine, sometimes it feels good, other times flat. If it were the engine, it would be poor ALL the time.
I've had the car for about a month with the knowledge of the power loss, I did drive the car. I was suprised how slow it was.
I will plod on with it, cant go no further untill Miltek is put on, as some of you have said in the past, the Hayward & Scott package losses these engines alot of power. And the power figure someone quoted in one of the posts (42BHP loss with it fitted) the power figure I have is hardly supprising. Looking at my wheel power to most of the graphs posted on here, its better than some 2.3's. Not to say that there is anything wrong with anyone elses.
I just wondered if anyone had encountered similar problems. I will post my findings on here as soon as its running pukka.
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DAWIEM3
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Posted: 30-December-2004 at 16:45 |
ShepsM3,
I hope it is something as simple as the exhaust.
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E30 M3 Road car ( Now in Hongkong )
E30 M3 Track Car
S14 2.0L 2002 in progress
E30 C2 2.7 Alpina
E36 M3 3.2 EVO
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SHEPSM3
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Posted: 30-December-2004 at 16:53 |
DAWIEM3,
I hope so too I am determined to get down to the bottom of it, even if it does mean stripping out all the internals!
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Houlbt
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Posted: 17-January-2005 at 13:02 |
Well got it back with the airbox and MBE fitted... now gives 247bhp at 7641rpm
Edited by Houlbt
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SteveM
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Posted: 18-January-2005 at 17:54 |
Uwe,
Intersting plots comparing different engines. Though my plot is well down the list, your last one seems to be almost a mirror of mine, just 35 hp more everywhere above 4000rpm! How come yours doesn't rev out higher with peak power higher up as I thought you had some cams fitted?
Is Jon's 2.5 a standard engine? The shape of the curve is so similar to mine, just lifted up somewhat!
Davie's 2.0 litre is amazing! such a smooth curve for a highly tuned motor.
Excellent stuff - thanks.
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Steve
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215DMX
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Posted: 18-January-2005 at 18:03 |
Houlbt, out of curiosity how has / will this affect your
insurance?
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UweM3
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Posted: 18-January-2005 at 18:35 |
SteveM wrote:
Uwe,
Intersting plots comparing different engines. Though my plot is well down the list, your last one seems to be almost a mirror of mine, just 35 hp more everywhere above 4000rpm! How come yours doesn't rev out higher with peak power higher up as I thought you had some cams fitted?
Is Jon's 2.5 a standard engine? The shape of the curve is so similar to mine, just lifted up somewhat!
Davie's 2.0 litre is amazing! such a smooth curve for a highly tuned motor.
Excellent stuff - thanks. |
Steve my plots are from a different Dyno.
I believe the 290 cams are designed for driveability not peak power. Don't know how much would be gained by playing with the timing and overlap.
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E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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SteveM
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Posted: 18-January-2005 at 18:41 |
Uwe,
It's not a bad thing in my opinion as high revs just shorten the life of the engine too much if it's a standard bottom end. I'd be intereted in seeing the torque curves as well.
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jon90
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Posted: 18-January-2005 at 20:46 |
Tom,
What,s the torque like, is the throttle response greatly improved?
Steve,284/276 schricks+11.25;1 forged pistons
Jon
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Houlbt
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Posted: 19-January-2005 at 06:12 |
Well haven't really drivien it in anger as it was wet and cold when I picked her up on Monday and on the Yoko type R's it was spinning the wheels in 3rd.
That said, the throttle response is great and a noticable improvment yes. Car revs much more freely now I feel.
The car sounds like an animal now too, the airbox mated with the group N exhaust creates the best noise I think you can possibly get from an S14, not discrete though!!
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Houlbt
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Posted: 19-January-2005 at 06:13 |
Peak torque was 183 at about 5400 if I recall correctly.
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jon90
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Posted: 19-January-2005 at 07:49 |
I was there when it went on the rollers,when it ran out of injector and they had to call it a day.
I have never heard such noisey tyres in my life,they drowned out the noise of both your exhaust and airbox sounded like someone had an angle grinder going.
Jon
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Houlbt
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Posted: 19-January-2005 at 08:31 |
heheh... yep they did the second map using normal road tyres. Would also point out that the rollers chewed my type R's up a bit :(
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