Hanging the tail out...!

stephenperry wrote: good idea

Wasn't covered but perhaps an idea for shorty to consider in his new capacity.

you should come along, you're about the same distance away as i am from there, should be a good laugh, get a wee spin in your 330 too lol

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are you coming along to the agm in edinburgh?

i'd really love to do one of those High Performance driving courses

To be honest thats what I thought I was going to learn when I did my IAM course, a little disappointed that the object wasn't to drive fast and safe 

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Drifting is the means to prolong oversteer or slide as long as possible. It's entertaining 4 sure on track but good driving teaches (road or track) to deal with oversteer as quickly as possible.

Learning to control oversteer is one thing but deliberately drifting on roads is nuts.. even experts get it wrong and can spin. Controlling oversteer is one thing and yes it can aid driving but provoking a drift to call it a means to learn how to drive better is an opinion I'd expect on www.nedsamongstus.com.org/nuts.

That aside I think any bimmer owner should learn to control oversteer ASAP. Let's discuss options at the AGM.

 

 

Ghia X wrote: yeah ive seen stephen drift whilst he had the acs on and it looked well smart and controlled

thanks, but the car pretty much sorts itself out with the tc on, you just need to steady the throttle and not be too snappy with the opposite lock

Praktisk wrote: Got about 6mb and it suddenly completed... no video..just audio.. and you have the cheek to call my FTP server **** young man ... I dunno Now I just get 404 error ... get it sorted lad! Edited to remove objectionable language, please read the forum guidelines......oooh it so good to be back !!

Now your just being picky Nigel ... yeah but no but yeah but no but ....

traction control off, a nice greasy exit of a private roundabout and a moderate prod of the throttle in 2nd

or exiting a junction, from a standstill, in 1st, hoof it, get the back end to swing past when onto the main road and try not to fishtail!

on snow, i usually use a little dab of the handbrake to start off if i want to do a doughnut, havent got the hang of the scandinavian flick yet after nearly crashing into Currys shop window

Goldryder wrote: Traction control, imho, is the worst 'toy' you can find on a car.  Drifting and how to drift safely and in full control should be part of the driving lesson/test curriculum cos you never know when you might be caught out by weather or road conditions and find yourself in a drift situation.  Traction control gives a false sense of security and in some respects makes you lazy and you become complacent and lose the 'feel' of your vehicle.  My Supra's had it and it stayed switched off..infact I pulled the fuse on the system all together.  Was outlawed in certain motor racing, should be outlawed on road cars too, RWD cars are not that hard to control, whether you drift on purpose or by accident.  All you need is a sensitive behind and the knowledge of how to deal with it safely.

Unlike Goldie, for those poor souls who dont have Stig-like driving prowess traction control is a useful safety aid.  The BMW system is very forgiving and will only act in real emergencies, it will allow the rear end some play and you can get moderate amounts of tail-out action with the car correcting itself.  My car has ASC+T (DSC was an option), later E46's have DSC as standard, and they all have CBC along with ABS.

All these whizz bang electronics can sometimes adapt more quickly to a changing road surface than a normal person could, just look at a Nissan Skyline and how it seemingly laughs at the laws of physics (10mb... right-click, save as)

 

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silverbeastie wrote: Rhys wrote: Praktisk wrote: Brilliant thread .... I take it you will soon be in the market for a new set of rear slicks then Mr Perry? ..the wonders of traction control ey, specially when you turn it off. traction is there to B broken!

Traction control, imho, is the worst 'toy' you can find on a car.  Drifting and how to drift safely and in full control should be part of the driving lesson/test curriculum cos you never know when you might be caught out by weather or road conditions and find yourself in a drift situation.  Traction control gives a false sense of security and in some respects makes you lazy and you become complacent and lose the 'feel' of your vehicle.  My Supra's had it and it stayed switched off..infact I pulled the fuse on the system all together.  Was outlawed in certain motor racing, should be outlawed on road cars too, RWD cars are not that hard to control, whether you drift on purpose or by accident.  All you need is a sensitive behind and the knowledge of how to deal with it safely.