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Goldryder 
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Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Joined: 02-April-2004
Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
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Points: 5301
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 Posted: 29-November-2004 at 16:36 |
 stephenperry wrote:
Remind me... WHO keeps bringing it up again? not me!! |
Point to note....
If you look at the date and time of the last post on the previous page
and the one on the top of this one, you will see that initially Mell
reopened this discussion and you followed her Stephen.
I just did what anyone can do on a public forum and put my own personal
point of view to both posts content. That, if I am correct in
thinking is what an open and free speaking society actually does.
Debate is a good thing, healthy in fact. Airing your opinions if
they differ from those around you is called democracy, by the same
token airing opinions that mirror those around you is democracy
also. If you don't particulary like the ones that differ from
yours, that is your perogative, just as disagreeing with your opinion
is mine.
Edited by Goldryder
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stephenperry
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Joined: 20-April-2004
Location: Elgin
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:26 |
Do you really want me to disect your previous rant for the amusement of all involved, or would you rather we both just let it drop
I don't know about you, but I'd prefer the second one, and put my time to more productive activities like editing my videos of the BMWCC Annual General Meeting
Edited by stephenperry
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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stephenperry
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Joined: 20-April-2004
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:23 |
But I will certainly reply to digs and general whining, course you don't want a private section - you're not a member!! 
Edited by stephenperry
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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stephenperry
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Joined: 20-April-2004
Location: Elgin
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:22 |
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Remind me... WHO keeps bringing it up again? not me!!
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Goldryder
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Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Joined: 02-April-2004
Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
Status: Offline
Points: 5301
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:19 |
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Simple questions....
Why are you so hell bent on a private section on this site?
It doesn't need one, the vote, albeit small, says it isn't wanted so why keep pushing for it?
To be perfectly honest here, if you are so unhappy with the way things are done on this site, why stay?
OK so you have had a few brushes with admin, live with it, deal with it
but don't use your frustrations flogging a very dead horse, put it to
more productive activities.
The site is fine as it is. Yes there are disagreements, but
hey...this CAR CLUB is one big family and with all big families you
will have frictions occasionally.
I'm not the one protesting here, I am not the one wanting a private section..you are.
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spokey
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Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard
Joined: 02-March-2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1948
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:17 |
Peter Fenwick wrote:
Most people who have been banned have deserved it. |
And the rest of them? 
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Ciao,
Spokey
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spokey
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Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard
Joined: 02-March-2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1948
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:12 |
mell wrote:
after all were all here to help each other and make friends. |
NOW you tell me! 
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Ciao,
Spokey
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stephenperry
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:10 |
 <sigh> some people doth protest too much methinks, some really silly comments in that particular rant, its pretty pathetic really
anyway, this "administrative nightmare" the status quo speak of....
heres a delightfully simple but elegant solution - all you do is have ONE extra line somewhere in the club magazine...
"This quarters password for the members section is..."
no correct password = no access
Edited by stephenperry
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Goldryder
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Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Joined: 02-April-2004
Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
Status: Offline
Points: 5301
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 14:01 |
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OK..
The purposes of a car club or owners club meet are, as far as I am
aware anyway, is to meet fellow members, discuss modification options,
maybe have a meal as a group or just a few drinks and generally learn
from each other everything from the good things to the bad things about
owning the particular marque involved.
Most meets are held in public areas, pub carparks and so on.
Now regardless as to whether the meet is advertised or not, the public
will inevitably be there....usually other people use the same pub as
you do and they also like to park their cars in the same parking area
too. It is perfectly normal for members of the public to wander
around the cars, talk to the owners, take photographs etc. Yes
they may be 'nosey' in some peoples view but for all you know, they
might actually buy a car of the marque based on what they see and find
out. They will always ask questions..some of which may be deemed
as 'stupid' to the owner but they are tolerated cos the public in
general don't know what owners of the cars do...if they did, they
wouldn't ask the question, would they?
To have a closed section on this site would be an administrative
nightmare, this we already know. To have meets in undisclosed
places..well erm..perhaps inside a local prison maybe? Cos thats the
only place, apart from within an MOD area that the public would not
have access to.
Which brings me to the crux of it. BMW owners, sometimes unfairly, are
branded as elitish and snobby and generally unpleasant people.
Untrue.
But if you clamp down on sites and meets, you will be playing right
into the mistaken idea that you are elitish, snobby and unpleasant.
On the administration being heavy with anyone, well, If you put your
fingers in the fire, you will get burned. Think about mouthing
off at people by all means, but leave it in your heads, do not transfer
those thoughts to a public site and then whinge when you are treated
with the contempt it deserves.
Be sensible and everyone will get on fine. Have opinions but use
your words wisely and put your point across in an adult way. Do
that and no-one would be banned or have threads locked.
Rant over.
Edited by Goldryder
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stephenperry
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 13:42 |
mell wrote:
i think its pick on stephen thread!he was just asking a question and it seems hes getting slatted for it!
i am not a member was thinking about becoming one but to be honest didnt feel the need to at this moment in time,it wouldnt bother me if there was a members only section where only members could use,it would be a little perk for members that put money into the club.and as for people going on the section and talking about non members etc who cares!!! i can see some of stephens points and i can see others to,to me this site is starting to get a bit petty with banning people and locking threads etc are we not aloud to voice our opinons?i myself havnt been to a cruise or a meeting where it has been a certain make of vehicle other than what i own, even tho i am intrested in all makes of cars,i wouldnt say stop others coming to meets and joining in but within reason,i do take pride in my car and when it is a meet with other bmw car owners we appriciate and understand each others vehicle and respect our cars,if you get people there that are just being nosey etc it would cheese me off!!
thats my opinon for what it is worth,as i said i see it from both sides just dont think its kool when someone asks a question and everyone jumps on the ban waggon, after all were all here to help each other and make friends.
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Thanks Mell 
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Peter Fenwick
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Joined: 27-August-2003
Location: Lost somewhere in time...
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 12:56 |
mell wrote:
to me this site is starting to get a bit petty with banning people and locking threads etc are we not aloud to voice our opinons?
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You can voice your opinions but you have to remain withing the forum guidelines. I do know what you mean though, but if there were no moderators or guidelines things would get out of hand. Most people who have been banned have deserved it.
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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mell
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 07-July-2004
Location: up in the clouds far far away
Status: Offline
Points: 3466
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Posted: 29-November-2004 at 11:37 |
i think its pick on stephen thread!he was just asking a question and it seems hes getting slatted for it!
i am not a member was thinking about becoming one but to be honest didnt feel the need to at this moment in time,it wouldnt bother me if there was a members only section where only members could use,it would be a little perk for members that put money into the club.and as for people going on the section and talking about non members etc who cares!!! i can see some of stephens points and i can see others to,to me this site is starting to get a bit petty with banning people and locking threads etc are we not aloud to voice our opinons?i myself havnt been to a cruise or a meeting where it has been a certain make of vehicle other than what i own, even tho i am intrested in all makes of cars,i wouldnt say stop others coming to meets and joining in but within reason,i do take pride in my car and when it is a meet with other bmw car owners we appriciate and understand each others vehicle and respect our cars,if you get people there that are just being nosey etc it would cheese me off!!
thats my opinon for what it is worth,as i said i see it from both sides just dont think its kool when someone asks a question and everyone jumps on the ban waggon, after all were all here to help each other and make friends.
Edited by mell
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Torch Str8 6
Really Senior Member I
Joined: 09-May-2004
Location: Elgin, Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 493
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 14:30 |
agree with P Fenwick
its pretty poor showing if u dont welcome people showing up to meets in a different make of car, they may have a genuine interest and wish to meet with the people to see wot sort of community it is and this may reflect there decision in buying another make of car and joining said community 
ive been along to the killdrummy meet and can say its a great bunch o peeps and the atmos was warm and friendly  even if the tea was a bit on the steep side LOL
i voted no btw 
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Nigel
Moderator Group
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 12:16 |
I have wavered on the side of a members only section, but have now gone back to my original stance on a totally open forum.
Apart from Killians very well made point of who is going to sort it all out, this forum is a tool to encourage people to join the club.
We also get input from time to time from BMW franchise staff, and other independant proffesional people, we certainly dont want to lose that.
And as for your banning Stephen, I have lost count of the times I have warned you, and only not done it at the time as I see you as a good chap who gets a bit excited at times.
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Best Wishes
Nigel
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Nick
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BMWCC Area Organiser Yorks & Humber
Joined: 21-October-2002
Location: God’s own county... Yorkshire
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 11:39 |
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Here are some of my views.. you have heard them many times before.
Q; Forum open to non members?
A; Absolutely yes.. it reaches out to far more people than we could have ever done before.
There is no need for a 'members only' section.. our magazine does that job.
Q; is £35 good value?
A; you bet.. You only get out of a club what you put in. If you are active within the club and actually organise or take part in events then you will get a lot out of it. I am afraid that if you expect us to provide a service and come along and entertain you then yes, you may be disappointed.
Q; Dont drive a BMW to events?
A; Nor do I, I tend to use the works van most of the time.. please don't exclude me!
better get back to Croft'05.. someone has to do it!!
Nick
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Goldryder
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 08:50 |
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There is also another, more unpleasant side to a private area that should be taken into consideration.
One site I was on for some time, and have recently returned to after
many weeks, has a private area. Admittedly this 'problem' on the
site in question has now been sorted but the damage was still done at
the time. Some members who feel they are being persecuted or have
dislikes of others, who are non members, can and do use the private
areas to stoke up animosity. They do this in the full knowledge
that the 'target' is unable to see or defend themselves against by
virtue of it being done behind closed doors.
I am not saying this would happen on this site if a private area was
introduced...I personally think Killian and the other mods run a tight
ship and this behaviour would be jumped on immediately...but the
opportunity would be there and sometimes the staff aren't on the site
to stamp it out straight away and if any nasty or offensive posts stay
put for even a matter of minutes, the damage will have been done.
The temptation to use a private area as a personal retribution area is
very real and it does happen. This site is a very friendly one
and I for one wouldn't want that to change. Open sites like this
leave no room for unpleasantness, even if some might feel they are
being got at, nothing on here is in any way derogatory cos its all out
in the open and on the odd occasion it does become nasty, then its
sorted very quickly. Private areas can cause resentment,
ill-feeling and to a degree, paranoia amongst people. Least here
everything is in the open, for all to see and for all to comment on or
deal with.
A 'them and us' syndrome would come about if this site had a private
area, and that would bring the site down eventually. We are one
big happy family and as with all families we have arguments amongst
each other, but at least its in the open.
Edited by Goldryder
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Peter H
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 07:33 |
Goldryder wrote:
Its like the Beaulieu RS Ford meet earlier this year. I went to that, the BMWCC was invited along too. There was a very healthy mix of car marques, not just RS Fords. Everyone was treated as an equal, everyone was warmly welcomed to look at the cars and to ask questions...no matter how daft the questions might be.
Car enthusiasts are like a big family. Doesn't matter which car you own or rave about or wish you could own given the chance. Interaction with owners is the very very best way to find out about the real marques..how they drive, problems incurred that maybe the builder didn't realise about...there is a wealth of knowledge to be had on sites like this one, and others like it. These sites are excellent for giving potential buyers a true and unbiased insight into ownership, the pitfalls, the good bits and the wishlists of things ownerd wished had been built into a marque.
This forum is for announcements and feedback....well in all honesty, the entire site is a source of feedback, and that shouldn't be stuffed behind a barrier.
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Think this sums up the issues very well, if its members only there is the aspect of being seen as Elitist.
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Das Wolperdinger
AHN-NYUNG-HEE GA-SEH-YO
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Goldryder
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Illegitimi Non Carborundum
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Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 07:24 |
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Its like the Beaulieu RS Ford meet earlier this year. I went to
that, the BMWCC was invited along too. There was a very healthy
mix of car marques, not just RS Fords. Everyone was treated as an
equal, everyone was warmly welcomed to look at the cars and to ask
questions...no matter how daft the questions might be.
Car enthusiasts are like a big family. Doesn't matter which car you own
or rave about or wish you could own given the chance. Interaction
with owners is the very very best way to find out about the real
marques..how they drive, problems incurred that maybe the builder
didn't realise about...there is a wealth of knowledge to be had on
sites like this one, and others like it. These sites are
excellent for giving potential buyers a true and unbiased insight into
ownership, the pitfalls, the good bits and the wishlists of things
ownerd wished had been built into a marque.
This forum is for announcements and feedback....well in all honesty,
the entire site is a source of feedback, and that shouldn't be stuffed
behind a barrier.
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Peter H
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Location: Worcestershire/Ost Bayern
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 07:13 |
stephenperry wrote:
lets get away fraom bmw... i mean would you honestly expect to turn up to a ferrari owners meeting in a skoda octavia and expect to fit in? my case rests |
My brother in law was a member of the Rolls & Bently owners club & he did not drive one, He was made very welcome at the events
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Das Wolperdinger
AHN-NYUNG-HEE GA-SEH-YO
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Goldryder
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Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Joined: 02-April-2004
Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
Status: Offline
Points: 5301
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 06:58 |
Like I said yesterday, I'm not a full member, for various reasons and
have been forced to sell the 635, but that wouldn't stop me coming on
the site if the opportunity arises in the future. The people I
have either 'spoken' to via the site or met in person have been
extremely nice, open minded people and the site is run exceptionally
well. People would be put off by a private section as it would
reinforce the notion that BMW owners feel they are above everyone
else. Which most of us on here, member or not, knows is incorrect.
I have made friendship on here that will last a very long time after I leave.
Killian is totally correct that the admin side of organising a private
section would be horrendous and probably a complete waste of time too.
'If it ain't broken, don't fix it'
Edited by Goldryder
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