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Andy Butler
Senior Member II Joined: 06-August-2004 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 208 |
Topic: The M50 Posted: 05-October-2004 at 15:56 |
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Don't even get me started about the M50!!!! I sometimes have to use the toll bridge 5 or 6 times a day. I too travel from the Northside to the Southside regularly including most weekends. My wife also travels it every day in our 323CI, not bad on the mpg for a big engine. We both have the eazypass and it makes very little difference during the week. The amount of pathetic L drivers and people doing 50 in the fast lane can be so frustrating. |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 05-October-2004 at 15:55 | |
either way they should not be driving a potential killing machine!
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 05-October-2004 at 15:49 | |
...or, more likely, didn't know how to turn them off.... |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 04-October-2004 at 19:18 | |
sure most who have done the test can't drive! |
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JohnH
Really Senior Member II Joined: 18-June-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1315 |
Posted: 04-October-2004 at 15:04 | |
@ Horestan - The budgeted cost is actually about 600m, being an Irish govt civil eng budget double it for a start
Just got me thinking there about driving standards Killian. How many people driving in Ireland have actually done and passed the driving test. I don't know the answer to this but it'd be interresting. For a start there's about 300,000 odd drivers on provisional licences. Then there's also the load of people who got licences without having to do the test about 12 years ago because they were on the waiting list too long and then there's also nearly all the drivers over the age of about 58 who didn't have to do the test because it was only brought in about 1962. It can't be that high a percentage who have actually done and passed the test! |
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IamSpartacus
Moderator Group Joined: 21-November-2002 Location: Singapore Status: Offline Points: 3625 |
Posted: 04-October-2004 at 02:32 | |
Can't have the tree huggers left without a battle to fight?
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 03-October-2004 at 18:04 | |
Here we go again, then.... |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 03-October-2004 at 17:55 | |
In fairness, the 'tree-huggers' existence is down purely to political corruption. If the politicians hadn't decided on that particular route (due to backhanders, etc.) then it would not be an issue. Something similar is about to begin up near Tara. The NRA want to repeat the Stonehenge fiasco beside one of the most important archaeological areas in this country. Furthermore, a third lane on the M50 is not the answer to the gridlock problem. It is all caused by bad planning and bad driving. If drivers obeyed the box junction rules then traffic would flow more freely on many of the M50 interchanges. If many of the right hand turns arund the city were gone traffic would improve overnight! |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 03-October-2004 at 17:36 | |
Ah, ye're being kind to them, so! I thought the word for them was [watch the language!] Edited by kbannon |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 03-October-2004 at 17:35 | |
As a would-be Irishman, I'd prefer to regard it as an Irish solution to an Irish problem....which even the Irish didn't know existed!
...and will spend, oh, five times that amount in widening it in the years to come..... (just like WCUK, in fact) I'm looking to invest money in publicly-quoted Irish road building companies. All recommendations are very welcome.... |
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JohnH
Really Senior Member II Joined: 18-June-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1315 |
Posted: 03-October-2004 at 17:23 | |
Couldn't agree more Horsetan. If the toll plaza has to go somewhere why just before a bridge which is immediately before an intersection? It could happily sit in the huge stretch between the Blanchardstown (N3) interchange and it current place where there would have been (when it was built) plenty of room to have about 15 booths in each direction like in US toll plazas. I suppose there is no point in trying to understand the though process of those public officials responsible for it. They saved IR£60 million by not putting in the third lane when it was constructed initially and then gave away the only revenue producing aspect of the scheme to a private firm for a relatively token amount. Strange
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 03-October-2004 at 17:00 | |
On my annual visits to Ireland, I still get stuck in the N4/M50 interchange at Liffey Valley. And much of it's due to one thing:
...the Toll plaza..... |
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topazman
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2629 |
Posted: 03-October-2004 at 12:00 | |
Well thats what happens when tree huggers, crusties and the like start interfering I could suggest that if they are so interested in a wall the developers should just bury them under the Motorway and then they can be with their wall full time and let the rest of us commute around the city without sitting in gridlock and causing more pollution. The wall will always be there but we might not. I want to enjoy the open road without one of these spolit yuppies b*****ds who have everything handed to them enjoying what I work hard to get namely BIMMERS Topazman E46 Section |
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 02-October-2004 at 17:07 | |
What they have achieved is more like "motorway kwalitee" Still... can't be surprised with all that long-running mess over the alleged ruins of Carrickmines..... Edited by Horsetan |
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BM Fan
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 19-January-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1054 |
Posted: 30-September-2004 at 09:39 | |
"Eazy Pass has increased the number of tags in operation from 55,000 to 58,600 during the period. Penetration at peak hour has increased from 35% to 36.5% during the period." Just thought I'd check their site - From Dec 03 to Jan 04 the managed a whopping 1.5% increase in easypass users. Thats pathetic! Must be great to have a job like that where you just have to show up and not actually deliver anything |
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Martin
In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 30-September-2004 at 09:36 | |
There are two things I don't understand about the M50.
1. The state/EU paid for a motorway quality road (something not yet achieved IMO) but allowed a private company to build the bridge & charge tolls for its use, which causes the most difficulty when using this road. Could the state not just have built it? 2. why doesn't the government pay for its use during busy periods? See http://www.aaireland.ie/news/article.asp?news_Id=293 for what i mean. |
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Richie
Bavarian-Board Forum Sponsor Irish Region Joined: 04-November-2002 Location: Dublin,Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2526 |
Posted: 30-September-2004 at 09:28 | |
I think it's time that people woke up to the fact that if everyone had easy pass things would be so much quicker.They need to do big incentive offers on this and make another two lanes dedicated to easy pass to highlight the advantages.
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BM Fan
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 19-January-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1054 |
Posted: 30-September-2004 at 09:18 | |
The NRA and The National Toll Roads - a great bunch of lads. I believe the toll guys are more interested in Building wind farms, reclycling and developing various other Profitable ventures with our cash from the tolls rather than improving the service that is the back bone of thier business. We're just a bunch of suckers - Certain US Toll roads running the equivalent of EazyPass offer high speed dedicated lanes with no barriers plus the incentive that if you use the automated system there can be a 50% reduction in price as opposed to paying cash. But hey we're stupid so we'll pay more to use an automated system that costs less to administer and has a higher throughput of vehicles .............Thud!!!!!! Sorry just fell off my Soapbox!?!?!? |
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Martin
In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln |
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b318isp
Moderator Group Joined: 10-October-2002 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2057 |
Posted: 30-September-2004 at 08:35 | |
I understand that the NRA have said that they haven't the money to do this yet!!! Have you seen their profits and, eh, priority!!! |
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b318isp
Moderator Group Joined: 10-October-2002 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2057 |
Posted: 30-September-2004 at 08:29 | |
I travel the reverse direction. My thoughts are related to merging traffic, especially at the Ballymount and Naas Rd. intersections. There is a volume of cars entering and leaving that justifies the 3rd lane along this stretch. I notice too that lane changing for exits causes huge ripple effects in the flow...
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