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Floody 
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 Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:27 |
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O.k What do you do?? are you in the police?
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
 
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:29 |
 Floody wrote:
Livvy, can you answer my question??? 
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No I don't think you should be able to do 100 on the motorway at 4am
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:30 |
Nigel wrote:
Ok Livvy, I'll put it another way.
Your beloved scamera agency's, combined with this goverments desire
to control our lives have completely put people off "safety".
There are no incentives whatsoever for anyone to do the course, other than they want to.
So...given that completing the course, passing the test, and driving
to the system is our aim...how do we encourage them to do it ? |
It's not my camera system I have nothing to do with it. 
I've said reducing insurance premiums is the carrot you need to work on.
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:31 |
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Why if it's dry and no other cars about.? That has got to be better than 70 on a full road?????
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:32 |
Hmm you are out of touch, youngsters dont pay £85.
Insurance companies are a business, and not controlled by us or the government.
I actually benefit from insurance discounts, I know a lot that don't, so thats out of the window.
If we offered to teach them to do hand brake turns, J turns etc, they would be joining us in droves.
Safety isn't sexy, they don't want to know, I work as an observer and pr officer for my group, I have tried until I'm blue in the face to get the local kids on board, even after one of their number, who is my neighbours son killed himself and his mate a few weeks ago.
So, lets forget safety, they are young, stupid, and immortal, now, how do we attract them ?
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Nigel
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:33 |
Insurance??? think i said that on page 3......or was it 4??? 
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:34 |
Nigel wrote:
Hmm you are out of touch, youngsters dont pay £85.
Insurance companies are a business, and not controlled by us or the government.
I actually benefit from insurance discounts, I know a lot that don't, so thats out of the window.
If we offered to teach them to do hand brake turns, J turns etc, they would be joining us in droves.
Safety isn't sexy, they don't want to know, I work as an observer
and pr officer for my group, I have tried until I'm blue in the face to
get the local kids on board, even after one of their number, who is my
neighbours son killed himself and his mate a few weeks ago.
So, lets forget safety, they are young, stupid, and immortal, now, how do we attract them ? |
Get some hot young ladies as observers, that is the other way to man's heart after speed.
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:36 |
Floody wrote:
Why if it's dry and no other cars about.? That has got to be better than 70 on a full road????? |
Because you are not allowed irrespective of your ability (perceived or actual).
The limits are common for all, we have no multi tier system based in the ability of the driver.
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:39 |
livvy wrote:
Nigel wrote:
Hmm you are out of touch, youngsters dont pay £85.
Insurance companies are a business, and not controlled by us or the government.
I actually benefit from insurance discounts, I know a lot that don't, so thats out of the window.
If we offered to teach them to do hand brake turns, J turns etc, they would be joining us in droves.
Safety isn't sexy, they don't want to know, I work as an observer and pr officer for my group, I have tried until I'm blue in the face to get the local kids on board, even after one of their number, who is my neighbours son killed himself and his mate a few weeks ago.
So, lets forget safety, they are young, stupid, and immortal, now, how do we attract them ?
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Get some hot young ladies as observers, that is the other way to man's heart after speed.
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Not that helpful, from someone I thought was interested in safety, and a serious discussion.
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Best Wishes
Nigel
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Floody
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Location: U.K Darlington (Croft)!!
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:40 |
Nigel wrote:
So, lets forget safety, they are young, stupid, and immortal, now, how do we attract them ? |
Good point,I would say Track Day's/Mingle with a few "older"(our age) 40ish people, rather than meet at mc ds for a Sat night?
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:43 |
Floody wrote:
Nigel wrote:
So, lets forget safety, they are young, stupid, and immortal, now, how do we attract them ?
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Good point,I would say Track Day's/Mingle with a few "older"(our age) 40ish people, rather than meet at mc ds for a Sat night? |
Its an idea Mark, and i'm working on lots of things at the moment, the big problem with that is who pays ?
Would you believe one group has been offering free courses to youngsters providing they pass...........almost zippo take up rate !
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Nigel
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:44 |
Nigel wrote:
Not that helpful, from someone I thought was interested in safety, and a serious discussion. |
Seriously it is a challenge for you & I'll give it some thought.
But to be honest forget offering them the carrot of being allowed to
travel above our speed limits because I can't see that ever happening.
Perhaps I'll arrange to teach the top student of the year some J turns as a reward.
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:46 |
livvy wrote:
Floody wrote:
Why if it's dry and no other cars about.? That has got to be better than 70 on a full road????? |
Because you are not allowed irrespective of your ability (perceived or actual).
The limits are common for all, we have no multi tier system based in the ability of the driver.
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Reed the quote you put on, it did'nt say anything about the driver it was about the "road" conditions!
Edited by Floody
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:48 |
Livvy
I think it may be possible in the future, but only after everyone is restricted to 5 mph !
If you feel comfortable here, and are in a postion where you think you may be able to help, pm me some details on yourself that I can verify, and I can pass you details of what I have been trying to do, with whom, and result details.
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Nigel
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livvy
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:49 |
Floody wrote:
livvy wrote:
Floody wrote:
Why if it's dry and no other cars about.? That has got to be better than 70 on a full road????? |
Because you are not allowed irrespective of your ability (perceived or actual).
The limits are common for all, we have no multi tier system based in the ability of the driver.
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Read the quote you put on, it did'nt say anything about the driver it was about the "road" conditions! |
We've already covered that. You are not exempt from the speed limits on
the basis of what the road conditions are. You are only allowed to
travel at a safe speed for the circumstances up to the limit (which is
the maximum speed permitted) irrespective of conditions.
The same applies to me.
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:50 |
livvy wrote:
Nigel wrote:
Not that helpful, from someone I thought was interested in safety, and a serious discussion. |
Seriously it is a challenge for you & I'll give it some thought.
But to be honest forget offering them the carrot of being allowed to travel above our speed limits because I can't see that ever happening.
Perhaps I'll arrange to teach the top student of the year some J turns as a reward.
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Yes, now were talking, thats exactly the kind of thing I need.
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Nigel
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:52 |
Nigel wrote:
Floody wrote:
Nigel wrote:
So, lets forget safety, they are young, stupid, and immortal, now, how do we attract them ?
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Good point,I would say Track Day's/Mingle with a few "older"(our age) 40ish people, rather than meet at mc ds for a Sat night? |
Its an idea Mark, and i'm working on lots of things at the moment, the big problem with that is who pays ?
Would you believe one group has been offering free courses to youngsters providing they pass...........almost zippo take up rate ! |
On the Who pays bit well its us,(ins wise)but I can see what you are saying, you would think they would jump at the chance
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:56 |
I don't really know Mark, but I'd try anything.
We need to stop this rot of restricting us, lowering speed limits etc, because any results will only be temporary.
We need to train people, all age groups, you included !
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Nigel
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Floody
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 20:59 |
Nigel wrote:
livvy wrote:
Nigel wrote:
Not that helpful, from someone I thought was interested in safety, and a serious discussion. |
Seriously it is a challenge for you & I'll give it some thought.But to be honest forget offering them the carrot of being allowed to travel above our speed limits because I can't see that ever happening.Perhaps I'll arrange to teach the top student of the year some J turns as a reward. |
Yes, now were talking, thats exactly the kind of thing I need. |
I'm All up for that
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Mark E30 M3 RHD!!! now sold !!! still crying!!!!
E36 318 is in technoviolet, for sale
Thank's for the photo Coasting, Flood's on tour!
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Nigel
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Posted: 12-November-2005 at 21:00 |
Floody wrote:
Nigel wrote:
Floody wrote:
Nigel wrote:
So, lets forget safety, they are young, stupid, and immortal, now, how do we attract them ?
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Good point,I would say Track Day's/Mingle with a few "older"(our age) 40ish people, rather than meet at mc ds for a Sat night? |
Its an idea Mark, and i'm working on lots of things at the moment, the big problem with that is who pays ?
Would you believe one group has been offering free courses to youngsters providing they pass...........almost zippo take up rate !
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On the Who pays bit well its us,(ins wise)but I can see what you are saying, you would think they would jump at the chance |
It would be worth a try, we have to stop the rot of restricting everyone in the name of safety, as any results will only be tempory.
We need to train people to a higher level than they are now.
If you have any ideas, and are capable of helping organise something up there, I can put you in touch with someone in authority who may be able to help you along.
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Best Wishes
Nigel
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