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Originally posted by Kin Mak Kin Mak wrote:

Coasting, most people that don't like BMW can't afford one. Most people I know aspire to own one, male and females alike.

It is just like people who say Porsche driver are self cantered arrogant pigs, the same people would buy one in an instant if they could afford one.

Brand image is different from brand jealousy.



Ah now, c'mon! Everybody can afford a BMW of some sort, sure I was once offered an E30 for free. Just because you drive a BMW doesn't mean you have to be so smug about it. I actually pity someone who bombs down the road in a brand new 3 Series, it shows they are lacking something that the person in the SAAB 9-3 next to them has!
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Originally posted by ivanovoitch ivanovoitch wrote:


Have to agree with this sentiment. Driving the IS you get a level of respect from other drivers that you just don't get behind the wheel of a BMW, especially when it comes to pulling out into traffic.

It's also very pleasant to drive all day long and not pass another on the road.


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Interesting notion that the "rarity" of the IS is a plus-point.

There are many BMW's on our roads because they have a strong brand image and make some quite good cars. The fact that there are a lot of them about does not make them any less good!

Saab used to make interesting cars...

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635CSI - I don't think you need to pity anybody for driving a new 3Series, I would suggest you're wasting your emotions.

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Originally posted by larzyh larzyh wrote:

635CSI - I don't think you need to pity anybody for driving a new 3Series, I would suggest you're wasting your emotions.

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I don't pity anyone for driving a new 3 Series, I pity anyone who acts the to**er driving a new 3 Series.
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You mean by having chosen 1.6 liter engine? I still don't think they would care about your pity.

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Originally posted by larzyh larzyh wrote:

You mean by having chosen 1.6 liter engine? I still don't think they would care about your pity.

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I can see somebody is looking for an argument hear so I'm not going to entertain you. I can think what I like about the E90 316i, and you can't change that.
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Interesting discussion and I haven't even voted. I am impressed at the support that MB is getting, especially as this is a BMW forum.  It is unfortunate that the majority of the public don't see this side of the BMW owners and it is also entirely correct that both brands are purchased by specific demographics as is intended by the marketing departments - so we know they are doing their job well.

I suppose it really depends on what you consider brand image to mean and how you value it.  I was in the same position as Coasting when looking and I went through most of the brands and I never really considered image as the buying point, BTW the RX400H was right up there along with 3.0 Touareg.

I think that the stereotyping that goes on with respect to both makes is more detrimental to BMW in terms of the average Joe in the street when in reality it is not a representative reflection of the majority of owners.

Both have excellent racing pedigrees, both are at the forefront of introducing some of the most advanced technologies in engineering terms.

To me the BMW would be younger and more dynamic, but this can so easily become the to**er perception whereas the MB driver would older manager / accountant type hence "The Jerk in the Merc"  thats not bothered about anyone else - not sure where I fit in unless 34 makes you an Auld Fella now.  So I'm still unsure but I magine the publics perception is very much 50:50, it would really depend on the age split you ask.
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Originally posted by BM Fan BM Fan wrote:

Interesting discussion and I haven't even voted. I am impressed at the support that MB is getting, especially as this is a BMW forum.  It is unfortunate that the majority of the public don't see this side of the BMW owners and it is also entirely correct that both brands are purchased by specific demographics as is intended by the marketing departments - so we know they are doing their job well.

I suppose it really depends on what you consider brand image to mean and how you value it.  I was in the same position as Coasting when looking and I went through most of the brands and I never really considered image as the buying point, BTW the RX400H was right up there along with 3.0 Touareg.

I think that the stereotyping that goes on with respect to both makes is more detrimental to BMW in terms of the average Joe in the street when in reality it is not a representative reflection of the majority of owners.

Both have excellent racing pedigrees, both are at the forefront of introducing some of the most advanced technologies in engineering terms.

To me the BMW would be younger and more dynamic, but this can so easily become the to**er perception whereas the MB driver would older manager / accountant type hence "The Jerk in the Merc"  thats not bothered about anyone else - not sure where I fit in unless 34 makes you an Auld Fella now.  So I'm still unsure but I magine the publics perception is very much 50:50, it would really depend on the age split you ask.


You've basically hit the nail on the head, Mercedes is for the experienced professional and BMW is for people who demand more out of the driving experience of their car.
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635CSi - of course you can think what you like but expressing your somewhat prejudicial view on this forum is likely to generate a response; is that not the point of doing it in the first place?

You can have your view but equally allow me to challenge it each time you put it forward here.

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Originally posted by larzyh larzyh wrote:

635CSi - of course you can think what you like but expressing your somewhat prejudicial view on this forum is likely to generate a response; is that not the point of doing it in the first place? You can have your view but equally allow me to challenge it each time you put it forward here. Larzyh.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion - please remember that.

Quote no amount of experience entitles a person to a viewpoint - if every is biased - then there can be no objectivity. Judgements based on experience may, however, be coloured by prejudice

this is an open forum, and debate is encouraged.

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Originally posted by larzyh larzyh wrote:

635CSi - of course you can think what you like but expressing your somewhat prejudicial view on this forum is likely to generate a response; is that not the point of doing it in the first place?

You can have your view but equally allow me to challenge it each time you put it forward here.

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Fair enough, I agree with you. I just keep on getting the wrong end of the stick. I do tend to be prejudice I admit, but doesn't everyone...
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Originally posted by thepits thepits wrote:

Originally posted by larzyh larzyh wrote:

635CSi - of course you can think what you like but expressing your somewhat prejudicial view on this forum is likely to generate a response; is that not the point of doing it in the first place? You can have your view but equally allow me to challenge it each time you put it forward here. Larzyh.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion - please remember that.

Quote no amount of experience entitles a person to a viewpoint - if every is biased - then there can be no objectivity. Judgements based on experience may, however, be coloured by prejudice

this is an open forum, and debate is encouraged.

flaming is not.



That is perfectly fine, I have no problem with that.
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Originally posted by ivanovoitch ivanovoitch wrote:


It's also very pleasant to drive all day long and not pass another on the road.


Funny you should say that - but the Lexus IS200 is fast becoming the weapon of choice for scrotes here in D15... they're all over the place, and fast catching up on the dodgy E36's.

Anyway, long and short of it is that BMW has a crap image amongst other drivers, who cares ... as long as you're not someone who perpetuates it.
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To find out about the ages of BMW drivers from the company's own web site, see http://www.bmweducation.co.uk/coFacts/view.asp?docID=71
So whats all this about BMW s being young people's cars?

As far as the 7 series is concerned, I would think they are a bit conservative. I just traded in my 1997 E39 for the price of the LPG gas conversion on its replacement. Which is? A 2001 E39. I'm 65 this year.

I looked around and could find no other car that suited my image better.

Both companies have a good image in their own particlular area. But is not Mercedes owned by Chrysler? Not much brand image there what?
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Originally posted by kdevitt kdevitt wrote:

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Funny you should say that - but the Lexus IS200 is fast becoming the weapon of choice for scrotes here in D15... they're all over the place, and fast catching up on the dodgy E36's.

Anyway, long and short of it is that BMW has a crap image amongst other drivers, who cares ... as long as you're not someone who perpetuates it.


The Altezza you mean, yes that car has seemed to have achieved cult status with 'skobes' lately. It's destroying the car's image if you ask me, look what happened to the Toyota Glanza Turbo and the Subaru Impreza.
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what's the uk name for the toyota glanza turbo?

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Originally posted by Howard Howard wrote:

But is not Mercedes owned by Chrysler? Not much brand image there what?
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not any more, according to this months Evo

besides if you're going down that route, then an aston martin or a jaguar is a ford; a bugatti a volkswagen; a roller a bmw; a lamborghini an audi; a ferrari a fiat and a lexus a toyota



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what's the uk name for the toyota glanza turbo?


There's none, they were only sold in Japan. They are basically a Toyota Starlet with a Turbo bolted on. Oh and I forgot, they also have a very subtle bodykit.


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Both companies have a good image in their own particlular area. But is not Mercedes owned by Chrysler? Not much brand image there what?
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i thought it was the other way around or an amalgamation of the 2 and merc are getting out as it is costing them 2 much.

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