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livvy wrote: brybusa wrote: Not good...looks like the plate on my bike may "fall off" thru vibration (officer)from time to time.... And then you commit other offences, everytime that happens.

If stopped...which is unlikely...and currently those "other offences" are not endorsable..currently a vehicle rectification notice.

However, they are now looking at making non standard plates an endorsable offence, this new technology requires standard plates to be able to read them..So there going to change the law and focus on non standard plates very soon.

Watch out for the first thread on someone getting 3 points for a illegally spaced/honeycomb effect/carbon "look" numberplate in the near future!

 

big brother is watching you

Doive wrote: livvy wrote: Where people attempt to frustrate society's will, they must expect that society will attempt to do something about that. The term 'society's will' denotes some sort of course of action taken and decided on by the general public...... we have neither say nor authority over anything this government decides.... it's like every four years they come, somehow get back into power, then disappear off for another four years to make idiotic and irrational decisions for the sake of nobody except themselves. Every news broadcast recently has a story about some new legislation - ID cards, merging police forces, whatever - huge public outcry, commons backlash, government responds by saying 'we will push this legislation through regardless of what anyone says'. And that's a quote from the home secretary.

We live in a democracy. We as a collective (even if we as individuals did not) voted our government into power.  In doing that we give them a mandate to govern for us. If we don't like the way they do it, we can vote them out next time. This government wasn't voted out last time was it ?

Doive wrote: What about the data protection act? When I enter my details on a website, they ask if I would mind terribly them sharing my information with 'carefully selected' third parties. Do we have this option as well with the road scheme? Is there a box I can tick at the start of my journey?

The data protection act doesn't stop them holding this information. It controls what they can do with it, as in who they can divulge it to & your rights of access to the information held about you.


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spokey wrote: livvy wrote: Where people attempt to frustrate society's will, they must expect that society will attempt to do something about that. Or, failing which, you can count on the police to use threats and fear to subjugate you.

There is always the possibility that prosecution will follow where you break society's rules.
The Police can only Police by consent in a democracy.
Part of their job is to uphold the rule of law & us such impose society's will. We the public get what we want in essence.

We the public won't always agree over issues. The government has to make judgements & act in our collective interests (we gave them that mandate). This naturally may upset the minority who feel very strongly on that particular issue, but hey that's democracy. Where they judge the numbers wrong on too many issues, or don't perform in key areas, they may lose support. Like I've said before this government has been around for some time. I've also said that I don't honestly believe that on the issue of cameras the Tory's are going to be drastically different, they may water things a little to just get power. I don't however think that enough people view it as such a negative step in their lives that they would take drastic action about it, or come to it even cast their vote based on that issue alone. It is lost in what individuals view as far more weighty matters to  them.



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But we (collectively) have given a mandate to the current government *3 times* to run the country in our best interests. We of course don't get to vote on each individual issue/topic, but we have our MPs to represent us on that score (who we voted for to do just that.)

"Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap"
Galatians vi

livvy wrote: But we (collectively) have given a mandate to the current government *3 times* to run the country in our best interests. We of course don't get to vote on each individual issue/topic, but we have our MPs to represent us on that score (who we voted for to do just that.) "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" Galatians vi

I voted Tory each time. My man won each time. I communicate with him regularly, and he agrees with me. Unfortunately, we have a government by virtual president since 1997, and there is nothing that one MP or even an opposition can do under those circumstances.

Still, I'm hardly suprised you support and applaud all this fascist malarkey, since it gives the police more well-deserved power.

livvy wrote: Part of their job is to uphold the rule of law & us such impose society's will. We the public get what we want in essence.

For society you are refering often to minority pressure groups that wield far to much power in certain areas, particularly when certain MPs have particular prejudices.

livvy wrote:  I've also said that I don't honestly believe that on the issue of cameras the Tory's are going to be drastically different, they may water things a little to just get power. I don't however think that enough people view it as such a negative step in their lives that they would take drastic action about it, or come to it even cast their vote based on that issue alone. It is lost in what individuals view as far more weighty matters to  them.

I agree with you on this. How many occaisions have the newly elected goverment reversed any of the previous government's policies/decisions?

However this may change. the tide of public opinion is turning against new Labour and some of the measures that anger us so much are becoming of a greater importance in the minds of the electorate.

 

spokey wrote: Still, I'm hardly suprised you support and applaud all this fascist malarkey, since it gives the police more well-deserved power.

I didn't vote for a member of our current government's political party in any of the last 3 general elections either.

Just for you, Peter:

Here.

Here.

Here.

Here.

And I must admit, I found this one particularly poignant in the light of claims of how Britain's roads are now safer than ever. And, of course, if we're getting lectured by the police about reducing avoidable deaths, how about this?

spokey wrote: livvy wrote: spokey wrote: Still, I'm hardly suprised you support and applaud all this fascist malarkey, since it gives the police more well-deserved power. I didn't vote for a member of our current government's political party in any of the last 3 general elections either. Doesn't stop you applauding and supporting these outrageous invasions of our privacy, though.

Because I don't see cameras in public places as an invasion of privacy.