Track Days in 2006 & Mondello |
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T.J.
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 22-September-2003 Location: Cork, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2332 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 09:55 |
It'd cost alot! So rolling road.... And the circuit(s) must be on hilly ground too - it'll increase the cost of construction, but ya need something with blind brows & compressions and some off-camber stuff - a roller coaster in other words! And a few possible permutations of loop available, culminating in the 5 mile "fainne mion" (mini-'Ring ) Oh and a mile long straight in there somewhere for qtr mile events and general high speed fun. And 98 octane Petrol available on site, aswell as car wash. A camping area with basic facilities and an offy for flagins of cider would be a bonus for the annual 24heure De E30 race that'd be held, now that I think of it. what else.... |
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ludo
Really Senior Member II Joined: 01-October-2004 Status: Offline Points: 879 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 09:48 |
with the crazy land prices in ireland it's hard! the best solution is an old airfield, give you some infrastructure to start with
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Fey!
Bavarian-Board Contributor Funs over, Scotty; beam down my clothes! Joined: 28-February-2005 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 4161 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 08:37 |
How much land would you need for a decent track? We could always form a conglomerate, build one, and just rent out to clubs! Incorporate a rolling road into it, and you could have a nice wee business! |
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Mick525i
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 29-November-2005 Location: Dublin Ireland. Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 07:46 |
Having spent many years on the MG car club commette and running race meetings in Mondello park its not suprising that they keep pushing up the prices. I have said it many times (sa have others) we need anothr circut in the country. Until then, (if ever it happens) we should make a point of taking track day businees else where. Its track days and the racing school that keeps the place going. I would be very interested in crossing the pond for a track day in the E21. Cheers Mick |
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ludo
Really Senior Member II Joined: 01-October-2004 Status: Offline Points: 879 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 06:33 |
no need to go all the way up, you just cut accross with the ferry and then it's a 5mils drive. It's about 2hrs from dublin, 3 from athlone I think. |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 06:24 |
See Mondello options for a poll!
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kdevitt
Really Senior Member II Joined: 27-February-2003 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 904 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 06:12 |
I'm aware of that - but at least you'll get a rough idea of who's willing to pay the new higher costs for Mondello. I know that I woulnd't, and I know it'd be unlikely I'd be able to take a day of work either... |
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Fey!
Bavarian-Board Contributor Funs over, Scotty; beam down my clothes! Joined: 28-February-2005 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 4161 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 06:09 |
It takes 4hours and 10 minutes to get from Galway to Belfast Port without speeding, for anyone trying to figure out their distances. That time is going through Enniskillen, but going via Monaghan is about the same, just not as good a road. How long from Belfast to Kirkistown? |
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Kin Mak
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 09-April-2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1691 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 06:07 |
I thought there were 24 counties? Dublin 1 - Dublin 24 isn't it.
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 06:06 |
The problem is that I never know how many drivers or passengers will attend until they have paid up.
Forecasting is easy, its making sure people come thats the hard part |
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kdevitt
Really Senior Member II Joined: 27-February-2003 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 904 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 06:02 |
Why not stick a poll up to see how many people are willing to pay the extra. And maybe one to see who's willing to take a day off work as well.
I'd much rather pay my money to Kirkistown, who are far more reasonably priced. Its also a decent enough location for any members who aren't in the far south of the country, so maybe its fair that the events get spread around. (The Irish region does include the 6 counties, right??) |
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Fey!
Bavarian-Board Contributor Funs over, Scotty; beam down my clothes! Joined: 28-February-2005 Location: Galway Status: Offline Points: 4161 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 05:57 |
The only problem I see mid-week is taking the day off - wouldn't usually be an issue for me (at least not after March 26th - NO days off 'til then), but for people working factory/sales jobs, it's taking a holiday day. The VAT is at UK rates, isn't it? Can the club claim it back, or can it get exempted? @ €8,000 - 50 people - €160 - + VAT @ €5,000 - 30 people - €167 - + VAT If we got 20 passengers at €30 each, they'd reduce to €148 and €147 + VAT. If we got 30 passengers at €25 each, they'd reduce to €145 and €142 + VAT. |
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GStanley
Senior Member II Joined: 07-February-2005 Location: Cork, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 175 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 05:35 |
Couldn't have said it better myself T.J.
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T.J.
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 22-September-2003 Location: Cork, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2332 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 04:42 |
I'm less concerned about cost than I am about numbers - the open days in Mondello are jointed, and you get all sorts. My preference to BMWclub days are that the numbers aren't mental, and generally there is a better discipline amongst drivers. The last trackday held, there were no issues about numbers - I felt it was pretty full for the national circuit. And despite this, it flowed well with no mentalists (the notable exception being sheep guy ). I know Porsche leave non-Porsche drivers out if they're members, due to the low Porsche numbers heading out and the need to break even. But we don't have the numbers issue so that removes the need. (Also, non-BMWs means BMWclub withdraw their 3rd pty insurance don't they?) In terms of cost - yeah it is a complete farce that they are upping the price by that much. But compare it with the options: as an all-in package it is still competitive compared with travelling to Kirkstown or the UK. Will there be as many non-drivers at the day if they have to drive up the country? One success from the club days in Mondello is the people who've attended, seen the quality of the day, perhaps got a passenger spin, caught the bug, and have got involved themselves either by buying a BMW, joining the club, or even taking part in the following BDD. Newbies mightn't travel up the north to do this, so we'd be losing fresh membership. I'll still support Mondello if we continue with them for 06. I will also do a mid-week trackday if it's happening. I'm all for other tracks, but as an accessible club event, unfortunately Mondello still holds the aces. |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 25-January-2006 at 03:41 |
national is IIRC 5k (+VAT) and this means that 30 people pay about €200. If numbers were much higher then the track would seem busy enough.
Prices work out slightly cheaper per person if you go for the International (8k + VAT) |
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gjoconnor92
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Posted: 25-January-2006 at 03:36 |
Saying Kirkiston is near Newtownards makes the journey look long. You take a ferry across the mouth of Strangford Lough and I think it is only a few miles from landing point. No need to go anywhere near Belfast. TJ your comment about the track interested Entrepeneur is good but unfortunately that is what Martin Birrane is and he is the one raising the prices. Entrpeneurs like making money! I have no problems with the National track in Mondello if the price is OK |
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Gerard O'Connor
1989 E30 320i for track day use 1972 2002 competition car project (delayed!!) Sheane Formula Vee My e-mail |
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BM Fan
Bavarian-Board Contributor Joined: 19-January-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1054 |
Posted: 24-January-2006 at 18:15 |
Just checked the thread lads - thats a bit Irish to say the least (even
though its the UK directors). Jacking the price like that
especially considering that they screwed up the last one for ye.
Given the past few years of commited business you would expect a little more consideration and support for existing business. As an aside note if I had a car suitable for track use then I would attend mid week, and there I was considering options for a few track day outings this year. I wonder how it will effect the other open track days and their prices. Still showing the morning as 150, afternoon 200 and full day as 300. I suppose the numbers would be much higher at those though. I'd say vote with your feet but its not like there 5/6 circuits to coose from. |
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Martin
In BMW exile at the moment (Shame on me for lurking!!!) Previous Models 2001 E39 520i Auto 1996 E36 M3 Evo Individual 1996 E36 328i Coupe 1997 E36 318i Conv 1992 E36 316i Sln |
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kbannon
Admin Group E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
Posted: 24-January-2006 at 16:43 |
Aidan - good points.
Come down to portlaoise on the 5th!!! |
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Carbon Black
Groupie Joined: 21-April-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 24-January-2006 at 16:40 |
If the cost has gone up to such an extent,how much would people be prepared to pay? Then how many are needed to cover this cost Has the club got enough members who are genuinely interested and if they are then payment up front with no refunds is the only way I would love to go uot with you guys but because I drive a Subaru I cannot....so perhaps a few selected "others" could be a possible solution to this hurdle Just one possible solution ...
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irishrich31
Newbie Joined: 12-November-2005 Location: Limerick, Ireland Status: Offline Points: 13 |
Posted: 24-January-2006 at 10:46 |
Jesus that's a drive and a half. Mind you i do love driving but thats one heck of a haul. |
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