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JohnH ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 18-June-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1315 |
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Does anyone know what the difference between the M52 2.5L engine as per an e46 323ci and a 325ci. And more importantly what can be done to get the 323ci up to 193bhp or so. I had been hoping there might be a straightforward way to make the 323ci "become" a 325ci. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks John |
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kbannon ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
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they are different engines (the 323i & 523i using the M52 [and the M52tu] and the 325i/525i used the M54 See http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0402ec_bmwcodes/ |
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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
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JohnH ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 18-June-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1315 |
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Aaaahh - now it's all clear. Thanks for that Killian - I'll look into it. Would you recommend getting a chip and remap too? At £125 it seems a low cost option for 8bhp |
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ludo ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 01-October-2004 Status: Offline Points: 879 |
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The thing is that if you do throttle body and manifold, I am not sure the stock ECU can coop with such an air flow. If for £500 we manage to get an extra 30hp, thats sopud like a good deal to me! |
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dave 328 ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() Joined: 21-October-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 835 |
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I have fitted the manifold only, but am going to see chippeduk this weekend for a remap, so I could let you know how the 2.8 fairs with the remap. The manifold alone has made a notible difference and have got used to it now. But if I want to be reminded how it restricts the engine, I just drive the gf's Z3 2.8 although this is a 99 version, so double vanos and does have a good low end pull it still runs out of puff above 5,000rpm. The engine does cope with the extra airflow from the manifold, but I'm sure a remap will help more. I have noticed the induction bark at high revs is quieter since fitting the manifold, maybe this is due to more air and running a slightly leaner mixture - I'm hoping a remap will give the bark back!! Obviuosly only with a sports filter will it bark. On a 2.8 with manifold and remap - 225+bhp. There are 328s on e36coupe forum with a proven 240bhp from manifold, bbtb, airfilter, remap and exhaust. 325/323 (323 with M50 manifold) should see 210+bhp. And a good increase in mpg!! |
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![]() 328 Coupe Sport, Digital climate, full leather, OBD computer, De-restricted with M50 manifold, big bore throttle, chippeduk remap, custom cold cone intake and X-brace |
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kbannon ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() E39 525i Sport Individual Joined: 09-October-2002 Location: 64 Zoo Lane Status: Offline Points: 15508 |
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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor
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dave 328 ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() Joined: 21-October-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 835 |
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Ian, How do they differ? Wasn't there a certain amount of ribs that can be counted too? |
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![]() 328 Coupe Sport, Digital climate, full leather, OBD computer, De-restricted with M50 manifold, big bore throttle, chippeduk remap, custom cold cone intake and X-brace |
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AHEALY ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 05-February-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 946 |
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Anyone have any luck yet in sourcing donor m50 manifolds. It seems that this is the first hurdle to be jumped. However, it is probably better to get the chip done first, which will add an extra 10%. That should definetly add more than 8bhp. However, the most important improvement is in the torque which is very noticeable on the open road.
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Ado
'97 523i & 95 M3 97 Subaru Impreza WRX Sport Wagon (sold) |
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JohnH ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 18-June-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1315 |
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chippedup says the remap will only give an 8bhp gain. Ludo seems to think that a remap then the manifold and throttle body might be too much for the ECU. Dave328 reckons on 210bhp+ from the lot (sounds nice!) Opinions / Advice anyone? |
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chippeduk ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ECU Tech Joined: 04-June-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 696 |
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i always quote minimum gains as this way there are no comebacks or people dissapointed. i quote 14hp on the m3 when in fact i have never seen one do less than a 20hp gain. |
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alpina527 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 01-April-2004 Status: Offline Points: 68 |
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Dave: The correct type has 12 ribs to the left side of the throttle body, The other type has 5 ribs to the left. These are no good for my conversion. I have pictures if you need them at alpina527@aol.com |
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KenA ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 13-May-2004 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 82 |
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Guys I think this is a great idea. I think I might be able to get my
hands on the forementioned manifold as well. I'm up for a re-map day in
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Does CHippedUK do OBD2 remaps now as well ??? I thought it was just the OBD1 Eeproms he did. |
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Rgds,
Ken. |
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chippeduk ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ECU Tech Joined: 04-June-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 696 |
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i do obd2 mapping as well as chipping.
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KenA ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 13-May-2004 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 82 |
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Excellent.
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Rgds,
Ken. |
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topazman ![]() Bavarian-Board Contributor ![]() ![]() Joined: 02-April-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 2629 |
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Any chips for the M54 engine in the 320 coupe ????? (2.2litre) Topazman |
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Now 2004 M3 Coupe Silver Grey with all the bits
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ludo ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 01-October-2004 Status: Offline Points: 879 |
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I should have more info on manifold on monday, so far the best price I got is 75€. Unfortunately it's a bank holiday in france, all those lazy b*****d are off until monday! I talked to alpina527 yesterday and he told me the max price we should be paying for the manifold is £50. |
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chippeduk ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ECU Tech Joined: 04-June-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 696 |
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75 euro is an awesome price.
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JohnH ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 18-June-2004 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1315 |
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I have contacted FABDirect to see if they have manifolds - i'll hear from them today. Who's the best person to get to do the work?? |
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chippeduk ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ECU Tech Joined: 04-June-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 696 |
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fab will charge you roughly 2.5 times the price anyone else does. but there service is second to none ! |
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ludo ![]() Really Senior Member II ![]() ![]() Joined: 01-October-2004 Status: Offline Points: 879 |
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I'll personnally go with alpina as he have a good reputation on the forums and I'd rather give my money to him than to some unknown. He has good price (£350 for the throttle body and manifold, as a reminder I think eurosport have a kit for nearly 1000€!) and quick turnaround (send him the manifold, it will take him a week to do the work on it!)
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