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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 06:35

Does anyone know what the difference between the M52 2.5L engine as per an e46 323ci and a 325ci. And more importantly what can be done to get the 323ci up to 193bhp or so. I had been hoping there might be a straightforward way to make the 323ci "become" a 325ci.

Anyone got any ideas?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 06:43

they are different engines (the 323i & 523i using the M52 [and the M52tu] and the 325i/525i used the M54

See http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0402ec_bmwcodes/
Your best bet is to get this throttle body and inlet manifold conversion job done.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 06:55

Aaaahh - now it's all clear.

Thanks for that Killian - I'll look into it. Would you recommend getting a chip and remap too? At £125 it seems a low cost option for 8bhp

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 07:00

The thing is that if you do throttle body and manifold, I am not sure the stock ECU can coop with such an air flow.

If for £500 we manage to get an extra 30hp, thats sopud like a good deal to me!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 11:15

I have fitted the manifold only, but am going to see chippeduk this weekend for a remap, so I could let you know how the 2.8 fairs with the remap.

The manifold alone has made a notible difference and have got used to it now. But if I want to be reminded how it restricts the engine, I just drive the gf's Z3 2.8 although this is a 99 version, so double vanos and does have a good low end pull it still runs out of puff above 5,000rpm. The engine does cope with the extra airflow from the manifold, but I'm sure a remap will help more. I have noticed the induction bark at high revs is quieter since fitting the manifold, maybe this is due to more air and running a slightly leaner mixture - I'm hoping a remap will give the bark back!!  Obviuosly only with a sports filter will it bark.

On a 2.8 with manifold and remap - 225+bhp. There are 328s on e36coupe forum with a proven 240bhp from manifold, bbtb, airfilter, remap and exhaust.

325/323 (323 with M50 manifold) should see 210+bhp.

And a good increase in mpg!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 11:18
Originally posted by dave 328 dave 328 wrote:

325/323 (323 with M50 manifold) should see 210+bhp.

And a good increase in mpg!!

170 to 210+ - woohoo
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 11:24
Originally posted by alpina527 alpina527 wrote:

If you find a manifold, it must be part number 1 735 730 2.5 or alternatively, 1 735 728 2.5. No other number will do. They are fitted to E36 325 and E34 525 models from 92-96. They need extensive modification, which will take about a week. The bodies are always in stock.

The part number is located under the throttle body hole.

If you have any doubt about which manifold you have, please email me on alpina527@aol.com or phone/text +447968391056

Make sure they aren't from the 2 litre!!

Ian,

How do they differ? Wasn't there a certain amount of ribs that can be counted too?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 11:36
Anyone have any luck yet in sourcing donor m50 manifolds. It seems that this is the first hurdle to be jumped. However, it is probably better to get the chip done first, which will add an extra 10%. That should definetly add more than 8bhp. However, the most important improvement is in the torque which is very noticeable on the open road. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 12:56

chippedup says the remap will only give an 8bhp gain. Ludo seems to think that a remap then the manifold and throttle body might be too much for the ECU.

Dave328 reckons on 210bhp+ from the lot (sounds nice!)

Opinions / Advice anyone?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 12:59

i always quote minimum gains as this way there are no comebacks or people dissapointed.

i quote 14hp on the m3 when in fact i have never seen one do less than a 20hp gain.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 13:53

Dave: The correct type has 12 ribs to the left side of the throttle body, The other type has 5 ribs to the left. These are no good for my conversion. I have pictures if you need them at alpina527@aol.com

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 15:40
Guys I think this is a great idea. I think I might be able to get my hands on the forementioned manifold as well. I'm up for a re-map day in 2005.

Does CHippedUK do OBD2 remaps now as well ??? I thought it was just the OBD1 Eeproms he did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 15:42
i do obd2 mapping as well as chipping.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 15:57
Excellent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-November-2004 at 16:37

Any chips for the M54 engine in the 320 coupe ????? (2.2litre)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2004 at 03:15

I should have more info on manifold on monday, so far the best price I got is 75€. Unfortunately it's a bank holiday in france, all those lazy b*****d are off until monday!

I talked to alpina527 yesterday and he told me the max price we should be paying for the manifold is £50.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2004 at 03:17
75 euro is an awesome price.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2004 at 04:52

I have contacted FABDirect to see if they have manifolds - i'll hear from them today.

Who's the best person to get to do the work??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2004 at 04:53

fab will charge you roughly 2.5 times the price anyone else does.

but there service is second to none !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-November-2004 at 05:37
Originally posted by JohnH JohnH wrote:

I have contacted FABDirect to see if they have manifolds - i'll hear from them today.

Who's the best person to get to do the work??

I'll personnally go with alpina as he have a good reputation on the forums and I'd rather give my money to him than to some unknown. He has good price (£350 for the throttle body and manifold, as a reminder I think eurosport have a kit for nearly 1000€!) and quick turnaround (send him the manifold, it will take him a week to do the work on it!)

 

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