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stephenperry
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 18:14 | ||
private land of course, Nigel! if you did that sort of tail-out driving on the roads youd be rightly branded a maniac Edited by stephenperry |
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2002SportEvo
Senior Member II Joined: 30-June-2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 247 |
Posted: 22-November-2004 at 03:46 | ||
Never let go of the wheel..... When powersliding, the throttle controls the car as much as the wheel anyway........... Also, a good old fashioned LSD makes it much more fun........ |
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stephenperry
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Posted: 22-November-2004 at 13:41 | ||
reminds me of tagging along for a test drive of a 3-door sierra cosworth many years ago... the seller was a complete idiot "ex touring car driver dontcha know" aye, right, i believe ya son Edited by stephenperry |
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M BLUR
Really Senior Member II ZeeMax ROADSTER Joined: 04-August-2003 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1557 |
Posted: 24-November-2004 at 06:29 | ||
I'd recommend skid pans for this sort of stuff. I certainaly aim to do more than a couple in '05. As much as I find drifting amusing it seems to go against the grain of track craft of finding the absolute most traction to the point of balancing the rear at the pt of not stepping out and only then push the rear out to correct if you're pushing wide if say you've entered a turn to quickly. The worrying trend is now would be drifters trying to side as much as poss on track days.. KH has a skid pan and so does Crail which Willie also runs a figure of 8 track for drifting but even there many come unstuck. A little oversteer on the exit of a slow bend etc is one thing but trying to hang the tail out is best avoided on all roads. Of course I'm still a little sensitive on the subject. |
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2002SportEvo
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 08:30 | ||
There is an ex touring car driver on this forum though....... |
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mell
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 09:22 | ||
oooooooo flashy
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Praktisk
Really Senior Member II "Wanna buy some pegs Dave?" Joined: 06-June-2004 Location: Royston Vasey - Are U Local? Status: Offline Points: 845 |
Posted: 24-November-2004 at 09:31 | ||
Brilliant thread .... I take it you will soon be in the market for a new set of rear slicks then Mr Perry? I personally cant wait for that "Ultimate Driver Training" DVD to arrive ... but fear I will be extremely tempted to try out some of the tips on the M6/M65 interchange roundabout as it is over 3/4 a mile long, is really really wide and features some amazing cambers, and as the M65 is one of the quietest Mways in the country, is very very roomy. But for Nigels peace of mind, I shall refrain from doing so Sometimes features some of these anyway, which results in an abrupt end to fun and frollicks. |
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Rhys
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 09:57 | ||
..the wonders of traction control ey, specially when you turn it off. |
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dave 328
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 09:59 | ||
I'm doing a skip pan day on 11th Dec at Bruntingthorpe with the VX220 club. Should get some good footage!! My brother is too in his Z3. I suggested he uses 2 space saver wheels on the back - should make it a tad tail happy!!! I wouldn't try it on a road as you don't always know the outcome esp. if your not used to it. Did it unintentionally when I first got my car, only a minor one, but unexpected never the less!!! Edited by dave 328 |
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Daz
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 10:34 | ||
traction is there to B broken! |
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stephenperry
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:15 | ||
Here's a nice wee video of some nutters in Supras and Skylines drifting round a big (private ) roundabout http://stephenperry.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/Drift_Club. wmv (10mb, right-click, save as...) Edited by stephenperry |
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Praktisk
Really Senior Member II "Wanna buy some pegs Dave?" Joined: 06-June-2004 Location: Royston Vasey - Are U Local? Status: Offline Points: 845 |
Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:17 | ||
please dont tell me youve dubbed that dreadful music?
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Praktisk
Really Senior Member II "Wanna buy some pegs Dave?" Joined: 06-June-2004 Location: Royston Vasey - Are U Local? Status: Offline Points: 845 |
Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:23 | ||
Got about 6mb and it suddenly completed... no video..just audio.. and you have the cheek to call my FTP server **** young man ... I dunno Now I just get 404 error ... get it sorted lad! Edited to remove objectionable language, please read the forum guidelines......oooh it so good to be back !! Edited by Nigel |
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stephenperry
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:23 | ||
no, thats the lousy tune that was on there already, id change it but you wouldnt hear the engines then what song would you have preffered? I thought about "Slide Away" by Oasis... rather apt dontchathink? Edited by stephenperry |
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stephenperry
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:24 | ||
hehehe, sorted, it hadnt finished uploading before i posted the link youre too impatient ;) |
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Goldryder
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:27 | ||
Traction control, imho, is the worst 'toy' you can find on a car. Drifting and how to drift safely and in full control should be part of the driving lesson/test curriculum cos you never know when you might be caught out by weather or road conditions and find yourself in a drift situation. Traction control gives a false sense of security and in some respects makes you lazy and you become complacent and lose the 'feel' of your vehicle. My Supra's had it and it stayed switched off..infact I pulled the fuse on the system all together. Was outlawed in certain motor racing, should be outlawed on road cars too, RWD cars are not that hard to control, whether you drift on purpose or by accident. All you need is a sensitive behind and the knowledge of how to deal with it safely. |
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Praktisk
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:27 | ||
Right back at ya !!! |
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stephenperry
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:36 | ||
Unlike Goldie, for those poor souls who dont have Stig-like driving prowess traction control is a useful safety aid. The BMW system is very forgiving and will only act in real emergencies, it will allow the rear end some play and you can get moderate amounts of tail-out action with the car correcting itself. My car has ASC+T (DSC was an option), later E46's have DSC as standard, and they all have CBC along with ABS. All these whizz bang electronics can sometimes adapt more quickly to a changing road surface than a normal person could, just look at a Nissan Skyline and how it seemingly laughs at the laws of physics (10mb... right-click, save as)
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Praktisk
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:40 | ||
Nice vid...doesnt playin media player tho ...well not mine anyway, had to use BSPlayer .. skyline was good. Not so sure about the Supra. Looked a bit like a mobile cinema having a mid life , sideways crisis on a roundabout. All them TV's !!!! How do you twitch the back end out personally, I press the DSC off buton and do the on off throttle burst thing till it slips (on a big empty car park obviously) |
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stephenperry
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Posted: 24-November-2004 at 15:51 | ||
traction control off, a nice greasy exit of a private roundabout and a moderate prod of the throttle in 2nd or exiting a junction, from a standstill, in 1st, hoof it, get the back end to swing past when onto the main road and try not to fishtail! on snow, i usually use a little dab of the handbrake to start off if i want to do a doughnut, havent got the hang of the scandinavian flick yet after nearly crashing into Currys shop window |
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