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Peter Fenwick
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Joined: 27-August-2003
Location: Lost somewhere in time...
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Points: 6484
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 06:36 |
Rhys wrote:
...erm.
there isnt much to say realy as regards to benfits of being a club member..
1, saved about 100 on car insurence through club. 2. saved about 20%+ on RAC cover (about 22). 3, could have saved on cost of travel inn if I'd known they did discount at the time.
...any more, car parts, certain BMW garages etc... the list goes on.
...and all for 35. Bargain I'd say.
As for a members only site, what exactly is going to be discussed on this secret society section? I didn't join the club to be an elitist, I joined because I happen to like BMW's (currently on third one at mo). If I'm not mistaken, the name happens to be BMW Car Club GB, not BMW Owners Club GB.. And even if I had bought something else I would have stayed a member.
Looks like it's handbags at dawn... walk 3 paces, turn and swing...
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Well said.
Club members, like myself, get plenty of benefits and I don't see the need to have a separate 'members only' section on the forum.
What would we discuss in this section?
Although by the same token I don't think that if there was a separate section for members only it would necessarily alienate all the non members. It wouldn't have bothered me when I first started visiting the website.
Ultimately if it is an admin nightmare as Killian says then it's deffinately not worth the effort
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Entering an age of Austerity and now driving a Focus Diesel.
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Peter Fenwick
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Joined: 27-August-2003
Location: Lost somewhere in time...
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Points: 6484
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 06:22 |
stephenperry wrote:
lets get away fraom bmw... i mean would you honestly expect to turn up to a ferrari owners meeting in a skoda octavia and expect to fit in? my case rests |
I disagree totally. If I was a fan of Ferraris and was interested in finding out more about ownership etc I would join the club and turn up to meet in order to speak to owners. I would do all this before actually buying one!
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kbannon
Admin Group
E39 525i Sport Individual
Joined: 09-October-2002
Location: 64 Zoo Lane
Status: Offline
Points: 15508
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 05:59 |
stephenperry wrote:
fine.
maybe "website announcements and feedback" is a misnomer.
feel free mr. moderator to censor this thread at will, as the club vehemently values the opinions of people who don't own nor drive bmws over those who do, i thought this was a club for owners and drivers, obviously i was wrong, and for that i am sorry, i promise to pay more attention to the small print and to turn the other cheek to those who goad and make fun, resulting in my aforementioned banned status and the post i made in jest at 3:07am this morning, albeit an edited picture, which i subsequently retracted for fear of offending those who do not have a sense of humour
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1. why do you think it is a misnomer. You left feedback and people respoinded to it. I merely stated that it would cause an administration nightmare and that I was not willing to accept the job of administrator under those conditions. 2.why on earth would I censor this thread? 3. "as the club vehemently values the opinions of people who don't own nor drive bmws over those who do" - this opinion is based on what? 4. Neither I nor anyone else minds people goading or having fun - however, you do so within the rules. I have enough to do without having to respond to complaints!
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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual
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Rhys
Moderator Group
Coffee addict...
Joined: 02-February-2003
Location: from the Latin locātiō
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Points: 10053
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Posted: 21-November-2004 at 00:15 |
...erm.
there isnt much to say realy as regards to benfits of being a club member..
1, saved about 100 on car insurence through club.
2. saved about 20%+ on RAC cover (about 22).
3, could have saved on cost of travel inn if I'd known they did discount at the time.
...any more, car parts, certain BMW garages etc... the list goes on.
...and all for 35. Bargain I'd say.
As for a members only site, what exactly is going to be discussed on this secret society section? I didn't join the club to be an elitist, I joined because I happen to like BMW's (currently on third one at mo). If I'm not mistaken, the name happens to be BMW Car Club GB, not BMW Owners Club GB.. And even if I had bought something else I would have stayed a member.
Looks like it's handbags at dawn...
walk 3 paces, turn and swing...
(poor dawn)
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stephenperry
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Joined: 20-April-2004
Location: Elgin
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Points: 7213
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 17:05 |
fine.
maybe "website announcements and feedback" is a misnomer.
feel free mr. moderator to censor this thread at will, as the club vehemently values the opinions of people who don't own nor drive bmws over those who do, i thought this was a club for owners and drivers, obviously i was wrong, and for that i am sorry, i promise to pay more attention to the small print and to turn the other cheek to those who goad and make fun, resulting in my aforementioned banned status and the post i made in jest at 3:07am this morning, albeit an edited picture, which i subsequently retracted for fear of offending those who do not have a sense of humour
Edited by stephenperry
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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kbannon
Admin Group
E39 525i Sport Individual
Joined: 09-October-2002
Location: 64 Zoo Lane
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Points: 15508
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 16:59 |
@Stephen:- you were banned by one of the moderators for breaking the rules. You were lucky you weren't banned again since thain as I (and all the other moderators) recieved complaints about a post you made last night! A reason does not need to be given but from what I gather, you had recieved plenty of advanced warning!
Anyway, getting back on topic. This fourm has about 4000 members. Who is going to sit down and sort these into club member or not? Who is going to pay for their time doing this? Furthermore, in order to do this a list of club members will have to be given to the person doing the processing. Im sure many members don't want a non office or committee person looking at their membership details which would be protected under FoI legislation! This job of processing member/non-member would have to be ongoing (adding new club members, removing people who haven't renewed their membership, etc.). By the way, I neither want nor will accept this type of role!
WRT the last point about non-members attending events, I believe that this is only certain types of event. The better driving (track) days organised by the club are members only afaik. Also, for example the Irish region had a meeting today about how the year went and what kind of thing to do next year. Non members would have no voice in this at all! I have also found that non members coming to an event usually results in the person joining the club as they enjoy themselves at said event!
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Current: 2009 E60 520d "Sport" tractor Previous: 1989 E30 320i SE 1997 E39 523i 2003 E39 525i Sport Individual
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
Joined: 02-April-2004
Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
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Points: 5301
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 16:51 |
At the end of the day a car enthusiast will travel to meets in whatever
car they have, whether its one featured at the meet in question or
not. They also like to keep abreast of all things new and
possible problems incurred with owing a particular marque.
Sites like this are an invaluable source of information not readily
available in dealerships or magazines, thus those who wish to purchase
a car or just have an interest in the marque can join the site and read
up on things and enjoy friendly banter with owners.
Meets are open to everyone, for instance, earlier this year I went to
the RS meet at Beaulieu..there were several BMW's there by invitation,
and there were other marques there both on display and in the
carpark..the car I took was a Toyota Turbo Supra. We were all
treated as equals and were well received by everyone.
Doesn't make any difference if you own a Reliant Robin or a Rolls
Royce, when you go to a meet, you go cos you have an interest in cars.
Having a closed section of this site would alienate those who might buy
a BMW in future and as some have already stated, could well push those
members of the site away from it.
This site is one of the best organised and the best run site I have come across, lets not spoil it.
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stephenperry
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Joined: 20-April-2004
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 14:43 |
lets get away fraom bmw... i mean would you honestly expect to turn up to a ferrari owners meeting in a skoda octavia and expect to fit in? my case rests
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Daz
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Joined: 03-August-2004
Location: Dubai
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Points: 1497
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 14:15 |
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stephenperry
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 14:02 |
Goldryder wrote:
To be brutally honest Stephen, is this to do with the club membership fee and what you get out of it, or more to do with the fact you have a certain amount of sour grapes due to being banned for 24hrs for swearing the other night?
You made it perfectly clear that you thought it was unjust that you got tugged without any notice.
Maybe I am incorrect, in which case I apologise, but the timing does seem a little bit strange.
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this has absolutely nothing to do with my temporary ban, however unjust i think it may be to ban someone without sufficient warning, and im still waiting for an explanation as to why this occurred.
i resent the fact that you bring it up, trying to show me in a bad light perhaps?
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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stephenperry
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:59 |
Goldryder wrote:
There was an Audi at Aberdeen but makes no odds...doesn't make any difference what car anyone owns or turns up to a meet in. If they are enthusiasts of a marque but can't always afford to own one or theirs is off the road for some reason, who are you or anyone else to judge them to be unwelcome?
I know several people who don't own a BMW but who are enthusiastic about them Stephen.
Not everyone has the finances to drive about in one, but that shouldn't stop them taking an active part in a club, website or meet.
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maybe its a case of putting your money where your mouth is, early e36's are very reasonable money these days, and you bought your big ol' 6 for a song
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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Pete330
Really Senior Member II
Joined: 26-November-2003
Location: Aberdeen
Status: Offline
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:33 |
Goldryder wrote:
There was an Audi at Aberdeen
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That will be coupeking then LOL
At least he does have a bmw
And still made the effort to come even tho his car is dead at the mo
Not that this as got anything to do with the topic
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E36 318is coupe, E36 323i coupe, E30 316 saloon, E30 318 saloon, E46 330ci Sport Conv E92 325d M Sport(3.0),With Loads of gadgets
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Goldryder
Bavarian-Board Contributor
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Joined: 02-April-2004
Location: Acomb, North Yorkshire
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:22 |
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claymore_72
Really Senior Member I
I Dont Do Mornings !!!
Joined: 26-May-2004
Location: Kindom of Fife, Scotland
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:18 |
I must admit that another car appreciation club who get my pennies manages to cover the membership fee with people only having to attend 2 of their organised events in the whole of one year's membership before the subscription has paid for itself, they have a closed forum and a 1 month try and buy scheme before handing over your pennies for new members. The welcome pack included a pen, a tax disc holder and a keyring with other items on sale as well.
I too wondered about the club's higher membership fee for a few years as it seemed quite basic for other memberships I've paid and still do. However like everything else in life it's maybe not what material items you get but something else you might get with the section or region you're a member of.
Having said that everyone who runs a club/web site/membership do have private sections on their forums for paid-up members, what should be included in that area is a matter that Committee people decide. You can have open events for anyone who wants to go and closed events if members want them and it's not badge snobbery or being elite.
But at the end of the day a majority has to decide one way or the other
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spokey
Bavarian-Board Contributor
Offensive and obnoxious tub of lard
Joined: 02-March-2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Points: 1948
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:18 |
Goldryder wrote:
you got tugged without any notice. |
Now *that* sounds like a perk that would make the 35 worth spending...
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Spokey
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Goldryder
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Joined: 02-April-2004
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:13 |
To be brutally honest Stephen, is this to do with the club membership
fee and what you get out of it, or more to do with the fact you have a
certain amount of sour grapes due to being banned for 24hrs for
swearing the other night?
You made it perfectly clear that you thought it was unjust that you got tugged without any notice.
Maybe I am incorrect, in which case I apologise, but the timing does seem a little bit strange.
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October 2-6 2008 - Houston, Texas - Long Distance Wedding
March 15-April 1 2009 - Transatlantic Cruise
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Goldryder
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Joined: 02-April-2004
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:08 |
There was an Audi at Aberdeen but makes no odds...doesn't make any
difference what car anyone owns or turns up to a meet in. If they
are enthusiasts of a marque but can't always afford to own one or
theirs is off the road for some reason, who are you or anyone else to
judge them to be unwelcome?
I know several people who don't own a BMW but who are enthusiastic about them Stephen.
Not everyone has the finances to drive about in one, but that shouldn't
stop them taking an active part in a club, website or meet.
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October 2-6 2008 - Houston, Texas - Long Distance Wedding
March 15-April 1 2009 - Transatlantic Cruise
October 10-25 2009 - China, Korea, Taiwan & Japan Cruise
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stephenperry
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:02 |
Goldryder wrote:
The meets etc should be open to all, regardless of membership or marque ownership. |
Discuss. there have been comments made in the past on this forum about people turning up in other cars
Edited by stephenperry
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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stephenperry
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:01 |
either that or remove/rename the members only part
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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stephenperry
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Posted: 20-November-2004 at 13:01 |
im not asking a lot, just for a little part of the forum, the members only section, as the name implies, should be for errr...members only!
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2007 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Titanium X Auto
1983 Ford Sierra XR4i
2000 Alpina B10 3.3 #118
1999 BMW 323Ci
1995 BMW 318i SE
1994 Vauxhall Omega 2.0 GLS
1995 Ford Mondeo 1.8 LX
1990 Honda Concerto 1.6 EX
1986 Ford Orion 1.6 GL
1989 Ford Fiesta 1.1 Firefly
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