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Fingerman-the brim method for measuring fuel consumption fairly accurately consists of filling the fuel tank quickly until the pump clicks off, then trickling in fuel until you can see the level rise in the filler neck.

Just make sure you avoid sharp driving manouevres for the first few miles otherwise you'll slosh fuel out the filler neck and down the overflow.

Next you either go for a very long single drive, or a weeks worth of representative normal motoring until the tank is at a low level-preferable less than quarter full, but not right on empty!

Then you just re-fill the fuel tank again to the brim, note the exact amount of fuel you put in, and then note the mileage you have covered on the odometer.

Then you simply divide the distance covered (in miles), by the fuel consumed (in gallons), and you get your mpg figure.

The only other error you may get is odometer error, but these are usually not too bad in that respect, and you can check it from maps  and known distance markers on long journeys.

The E34 has an 80 litre tank, or 17.6 gallons in old money

From your quoted figures, 440 miles on a 17.6 gallon tank equates to 25mpg if you run the tank to almost empty before refilling, which is risky.

If we assume a safety measure of re-fuelling when the red light comes on, at 8 litres remaining (1.76 gallons-say we assume 1.6 gallons to make the maths easier), then that would mean you have covered 440 miles on 16 gallons, which equates to 27.5mpg.

490 miles would equate to around 30.6mpg, so your OBC reading of 33.6 mpg is around 10% optimistic, which is what my 540i worked out at funnily enough.

I once got 485 miles out of my 540i before the red light came on. On a recent Scottish trip I got 520 miles out of my '95 525i 24v Touring auto before the low fuel light came on.

Well, all that maths was about as exciting as watching stone-cold oil drain out of a sump on a winter's day 

Derek M5-you're naturally not biased towards the M5 in any way

Engine sounds are very personal choices-I find it depends what mood I'm in. Sometimes I like the smooth 'zing' of the small-block BMW straight-six.

Most of the time though I love the aggressive V8 bark of the 540i at the redline-more of an 'I'm going to head-butt you' type of engine noise than the cultured howl of the 6-pot, or the aggressive cultured bellow of the M5 at the redline

My next door neighbour will totally outdo all of us though-he has a 1970 Chevvy Camaro 5.7 V8, and the snarling racket this monster makes at idle makes my 540i, even at the redline, sound like a broken washing machine.

When he blipped the throttle and I was standing at the back of this tank, an unholy cloud of hot, sooty exhaust smoke nearly knocked me over and gassed me.

Something to do with 'rich mixture on the carburettors', whatever those strange things are

Sadly if I had an M5 the local ***heads would try and 'borrow' it-my 540i already had 1 failed attempt to steal it from the driveway and suffered a damaged door and steering lock, which I bodge repaired.

They didn't even bother with my old blue boring 525i Touring, so there's another reason for Joe Bloggs upgrading to a BMW to avoid the 'sexy' models and get a less-desirable-to-thieves model.

Such as a 525i 24v Vanos perhaps?

See-you all know it makes sense

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RedOctober wrote: What mpg does your 530i do on the motorway then? By the way don't go by the OBC reading as they're not 100% accurate-the one on my 540i was over-reading by nearly 10% before I calibrated it using the brim method.


Sorry, don't know the brim method ? - I generally got about 440 miles a tank - I have had 490 once and the obc said it average 33.6mpg !!! - Generally around the 30mpg

btw - I wouldn't touch a diesel e34 with a barge pole! - would much rather have a 518 - Taxi !


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The only thing you need to know about the 525td is that it couldn't out run a slug

It had a feeble 115bhp which is nothing for such a big car. The 525 tds was much better with a credible 143bhp

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Yeah that too... don't know much about oilburners......
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Originally posted by Derek M5 Derek M5 wrote:

What about the 525td?

Surely you mean the 525tds. The td is woefully slow and about as popular as the 518

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Originally posted by RedOctober RedOctober wrote:

Well I can deal with 2 litre turbodiesel jobbies on the motorway quite well in my 540i

Go with the M5 and they'll need to be running rocket fuel to wrry you

Originally posted by RedOctober RedOctober wrote:

What mpg does your 530i do
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I love the sound of my 5.38 Straight Six, especially when it's over 4000 rpm, but I'm not so keen on the smooth 'zing' of the pump at the petrol station

Originally posted by RedOctober RedOctober wrote:

Of course WE would choose the V8's, as we're enthusiasts,

No, no, no, you'd choose the M5 if you weren't bringing common sense into it.

I've run both of my M5's as daily drivers and they're fine, but most Car Mechanics tend to steer clear of them so you end up having to go to a specialist and paying that little bit more for the peace of mind of a well looked after car.

Originally posted by RedOctober RedOctober wrote:

Now I know someone's going to disagree with that,

Did someone call?

Originally posted by RedOctober RedOctober wrote:

However, the 525i will please most of the people most of the time

What about the 525td?

Originally posted by RedOctober RedOctober wrote:

and on that note I'm going to bed now

Hoi, get up, we ain't done wi you yet....

In recognition of the quality thoughtful repsonses put forward by Alex in the face of the usual dross from me, I'm now firmly a member of the 525i camp.... though I did know of a rather special 520i when I lived in Dublin....... 

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this is shaping up to be another candidate for "the neverending thread".... 


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Omigawd-here we go again

Well I can deal with 2 litre turbodiesel jobbies on the motorway quite well in my 540i

What mpg does your 530i do on the motorway then? By the way don't go by the OBC reading as they're not 100% accurate-the one on my 540i was over-reading by nearly 10% before I calibrated it using the brim method.

I love the sound of my 540i V8, but I also like the smooth 'zing' of the 525i six as it approaches the redline.

I own both the sexy V8 and the sensible 525i 24v Vanos, but I'm still going to agree with Car Mechanics verdict of the 525i, as they're more numerous on the used market and the unwary won't be caught out by possible Nikasil problems.

My own 525i isn't that much more economical than my 540i, but in the real world it has to just edge the V8 models into second for the kind of buyers Car Mechanics magazine is aimed at-people upgrading from mid-range Fords and Vauxhalls etc.

Of course WE would choose the V8's, as we're enthusiasts, but Car Mechanics verdict had to include cold, hard real-world running costs and probable repair bills etc.

Even though to us in the know the 525i's may only hold a small cost advantage over good V8's, it's still technically an advantage so ever-so-slightly pips the V8's to the post.

Now I know someone's going to disagree with that, as you can't please all of the people all of the time. However, the 525i will please most of the people most of the time and on that note I'm going to bed now

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Sorry but you can't let it end there !

I disagree with the 525 vanos - I think my 530 M60 is better (as I've have a 525 vanos) - it's more economical, faster and sound better.

When you have that kind of power you always want more

Especially when your dealing with todays 2 litre turbo diesel jobbies on the motorway!

I would love to own an M5, but I think my next choice is a 528 (e39) - boo, hiss - but the car is mint

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Not half as grey as my hair went writing all this stuff, and waiting for the replies to some of my admittedly 'challenging' comments

518i Touring? M5? 540i? Nope, we're all wrong here

Sorry guys-in this case I think we should abide by the independent 'Neutral' verdict, and let the original nominators of the E34 award, Car Mechanics magazine, have the last work here.

So 525i 24v Vanos it is then!

Just like my very own Touring then-don't you just love happy coincidences

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Originally posted by grahame34m5 grahame34m5 wrote:

PS top posting guys

And he forgot to add, M5 is top choice.....

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I've just read this thread through and my my some great contributions to the debate. The only thing is that I use to have colour in my hair but know its gone grey it taken so long.

PS top posting guys


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Originally posted by Derek M5 Derek M5 wrote:

Originally posted by RedOctober RedOctober wrote:

Surely this must now be the last word on this topic?

So we're all agreed, for the E34 the only one to have is the M5......

No, 518 touring I think you'll find

Bloody hell RedOctober, are you going for the longest post in history record?

Have you thought about going into business repairing ECUs. I reckon there must be loads of money to be made, especially with cars where second hand ones aren't an option.

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Originally posted by RedOctober RedOctober wrote:

Surely this must now be the last word on this topic?

So we're all agreed, for the E34 the only one to have is the M5......

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Points taken, although I strongly suspect that someone on a tight budget would themselves realise that a 540i was not the best car to have, without us needing to tell them

I will confess that I have an unfair advantage over many people as I work in the electronics repair industry down to component level, and can handle most of the electronics on the older BM's, including ECU's.

I once had an ECU die on my very first BMW-an E30 325i. The AA towed me home and I removed the ECU and opened it up. I found a couple of fractured solder joints on the output transistors that drive the fuel injectors, so 15 minutes with a soldering iron and all was well again with no cost

A great many BMW faults can be attributed to electrical systems going intermittent or failing. I diagnosed a failed Lambda sensor on my 525i Touring using an oscilloscope and pin-outs of the ECU, and fitted an aftermarket one for £20 as I only do a lowish mileage in it.

Yes, you do need to have a bit of nous about you to run a big BM on a low budget, but with care it's not impossible-I suspect this is why they appeal to enthusiasts, who are quite happy to get their hands dirty, so to speak.

I bought mine on what you'd call a 'comfortable' budget-I'd set a limit of £5k tops, an chose an older, more 'interesting' car rather than a mainstream younger one.

There was an element of risk in the decision, but I weighed everything up based on my previous BMW experience and making the following assumptions:-

1)   The M60 V8 engine's only real achillies heel is the Nikasil issue-other than that they are generally a trouble-free unit so unlikely to cause any other big bills if you get a good one.

2)   Final drive units seem to be mostly bomb proof on BM's, so this was unlikely to fail either.

3)   Steering boxes do wear, but can have a reasonable amount of the free play adjusted out, and re-conditioned boxes aren't prohibitively expensive as they were fitted to all models from 518i to M5, so wouldn't be that hard to source at a reasonable price.

4)   Catalytic converters were an unknown quantity, but if you follow the basic simple rules to avoid contaminating the cats with unburnt fuel, oil etc, then they only other way they fail is mechanically if they suffer a sharp impact such as driving over rutted surfaces, so I drive very carefully , if at all, on uneven ground. I keep the cats clean as my 40 mile round trip to work is mostly motorway/A-road to keep the speed up and the cats above 'light-off' temperature.

5)   Finally the big one-the autobox. This is the biggest unknown quantity on a 540i, and is a gamble, especially as DIY fluid changes are not possible on it's 'sealed for life' box-a backward step in my humble opinion.

However, as I'd planned to keep the car for many years, and you're unlikely to ever have to replace an autobox more than once in it's lifetime, then I could cope with one big autobox failure without making the whole exercise unfeasible financially.

A gamble yes, but a lucky one so far 

I often ponder over what I'll replace it with when it does eventually bite the dust, and it'll almost certainly be with an E39 5-series.

I quite fancy an E39 540i Touring, although I'm also very tempted by the six-cylinder 530i E39, as this engine seems to be one of BMW's gems in all the road tests I've ever read-powerful for a 3 litre and capable of giving excellent economy, and also having the rack-and-pinion steering instead of the V8's steering box.

I have a colleague at work who is the complete opposite of me when it comes to cars-he's always bought Fords because, in his words, they're 'cheap to fix'

This was just as well as his 2 litre Mondeo lunched it's cat (£200), and then shortly after his wife's1.6 Focus needed a new clutch (£300).

In contrast my 2 E34's both sailed through their MOT's after yet another breakdown-free year of motoring. The 540i has now passed 3 consecutive MOT's since I've owned it, and it's been quite simply the best BM I've ever owned.

I'll put up with 1 big failure (probably autobox) if that ever happens, but any more than that and I'll just cut my losses and get rid before it turns into a money pit, as by then it'll be worth so little on the used market that it'd be pointless fixing it-although I will shed real tears when that day does eventually arrive

Surely this must now be the last word on this topic

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Red october, I agree with most of what you say. After all you are an enthusiast, like me, so you make the choice to spend a little more running an older car rather than going for a cheaper to run newer one. The only points I would pick up on are that people on a tight budget won't buy a car like a 540. I knew a guy who bought an E34 525 because it was £1500. He had convinced himself that because it was a BMW it would never break down so he could afford to run it. He was wrong. First the ECU went pop then the auto box gave up.

Secondly I'm not saying that a big engined BMW is more likely to have a major failure than any other car, in fact if looked after the mechanicals should last for a long time. However all cars, as they get older, are prone to failures. The trouble with a big BMW is if it does fail it could be very expensive. Electrical components with circuit boards have a finite life so can and do fail. The same can be said for catalytic converters, engine sensors etc. So while you may be ok it is possible that at some point during ownership you could be faced with a big bill. This could happen with any older car but in a 540 is is likely to be more expensive.

Finally, we all worry about what may or may not happen in the future to some extent. I trust you have contents insurance for your house? At then end of the day whether you worry about it or not depends on how much of a problem it would be if the car did die and required a lot of cash to fix and how likely it is to happen. I have had an ECU die on a Honda and a catalytic converter on a Nissan. Fortunately I was able to source an ECU second hand and a main dealer fitted if for me. The CAT was only £200 from quick fit. Both cars were well maintained and in very good condition. Would BMW fit a second hand ECU for you? In fact can you even use a secopnd hand ECU in a BMW? and how much would the CATs on a 540 cost to replace.

All this wouldn't stop me buying a 540, I was going to get an E39 540 but I found a decent manual 530 first. But I would urge anyone to consider the cost of running a BMW before buying one, since all cars no matter what make/model suffer from component failure as they get older and with a BMW parts can be expensive and cheaper pattern parts can be a flase economy.

I bet you can think of somehting else to say now  

 

 

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Well said, 540i V8-you sum up the passion in the buying decision admirably, and the joy of subsequent ownership-that's what it's all about.

Nice one guys-now I've run out of words

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