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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 18-February-2006 at 11:25 |
dirtybeemer wrote:
How do you know if the curfew aint coming next and i never said he passed it i know it was an all party thing.
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Councils have tried to introduce curfews, not the govenrment mind, and I think they are a good idea in some places.
dirtybeemer wrote:
peter fenwick wrote
Is it any less safe for women now than when the Yorkshire ripper was on the rampage?
yes i think so its one less idiot on the street so has to be a degree safer.
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I could be wrong but I think we are agreeing here?
dirtybeemer wrote:
peter fenwick wrote
I'd like to be free to go into a restaurant or a pub and not have to breath carcinogenic smoke. In fact it's an infringement of my civil liberties that I have too.
you are free to go into a resturant or any pub you are fully aware that there is people smoking in these places and that you breath in carcinogenic smoke but you still choose to go in them so you are putting yourself at risk many restaurants banned smoking over a year ago and some have smoking and non smoking banning smoking isnt that an infringment of a smokers civil liberities too.
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If anyone chooses to take part in a pass time/vice that affects other people in such a negative way they they should expect people to object. Smoking kills, passive smoking kills. Is it an infringment of my civil liberties that I can't fire a gun on my local highstreet??
dirtybeemer wrote:
too right i was matey, i could not smoke, drink, i could take regular exercise eat healthily be the fittest person alive but that dont eliminate the risk that i could be hit by a bus tomorrow or wrap my beemer round a tree we are all given a number and when its called it is called, so i say live for today not the future
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Your right, but if your careful you won't get hit by a bus, If you don't drive like an idiot you won't wrap your car around a tree, however if you smoke you stand a very big chance of dying prematurely from a smoking related illness. Living for today is great up to a point, however if you only ever live for the moment tomorrow could turn out to be very bad.
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pma1ums
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Posted: 18-February-2006 at 05:29 |
Stone-IslandM3 wrote:
Nicotine plus various other substances found in ciggies are more addictive and powerful drugs than heroin so lighting up isnt that much of a choice for a smoker-theres a habit that needs feeding. |
i couldnt agree more with you ;when i was a smoker i used to tell peaple that hadnt smoked the same and guess what'they didnt belive me
i smoked 40 red malboros aday and i didnt want to stop 'i just said thats it ive had it with these things and i stoped there and then 'and for the next week of life i just took each hour as a bonus that i didnt light up
and yeah it was hard lol i could have killed anyone that was near me ;but you just crack on with it and pack inn
before anyone says iam one of those reformed smokers ;then you would be wrong
my girlfreind smokes around the house/car/me 'and it doesnt bother me one bit because i just think back to how i felt for the first 4 weeks of stoping
i still dont want to see a ban but it looks as if nothing is going to change it
perhaps lounge bar for all those fit healthy non smokers;and perhaps the bar side for guys and gals that want to have a good ciggie????
surely thats not asking to much is it?
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bmwcrazy
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 22:36 |
dirtybeemer on u go son big mad pure mental nanny state makes me think why my great grandad died in the war ??????????????
so some stuch up d..k can say lets ban this cause that will get us votes.pm"s a wa..k and so is the scottish first minister just wee tonys rent boy highest taxed gas going up, fuel ,work till ur a 120 id cards think i"ll move to afgan more freedom there !!!!!!!!!! well thats my 10 pence shot me down in flames i can take it,,what voices
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dirtybeemer
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 20:29 |
peter fenwick wrote
Hang on, so because of Dictator Blair you cannot go out without fear of being assaulted?? IMO the fear of being assaulted has as much to do with a much greater awareness of crime than an increase in crime.
is it not b liar and his party that makes the law and what do these idiots get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again great deterrant i think not.
peter fenwick wrote
Surely if he was a Dictator he would have banned youths from being out after dark. Also the banning of smoking was a cross party thing. Most MPs regardless of party voted for it.
How do you know if the curfew aint coming next and i never said he passed it i know it was an all party thing.
peter fenwick wrote
Is it any less safe for women now than when the Yorkshire ripper was on the rampage?
yes i think so its one less idiot on the street so has to be a degree safer.
peter fenwick wrote
I'd like to be free to go into a restaurant or a pub and not have to breath carcinogenic smoke. In fact it's an infringement of my civil liberties that I have too.
you are free to go into a resturant or any pub you are fully aware that there is people smoking in these places and that you breath in carcinogenic smoke but you still choose to go in them so you are putting yourself at risk many restaurants banned smoking over a year ago and some have smoking and non smoking banning smoking isnt that an infringment of a smokers civil liberities too.
peter fenwick wrote
What you actually should be saying is 'I was happier when I was living in blissfull ignornace of the health risks of fatty foods and smoking'
too right i was matey, i could not smoke, drink, i could take regular exercise eat healthily be the fittest person alive but that dont eliminate the risk that i could be hit by a bus tomorrow or wrap my beemer round a tree we are all given a number and when its called it is called, so i say live for today not the future
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topazman
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 18:05 |
Alot of English people still come over to Dublin for the weekend and they don't seem to be put of by the no-smoking ban in pubs/clubs etc so it will work cause if people change to suit it will work if you fight it you would only be putting yourself out... oh yeah and when you all come over for the coursing its outdoor so can smoke as much as you want
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bmwcrazy
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 17:26 |
this is good free speech we all have our wee say and not fall out may be we should have a wee poll, for or against the ban, just a wee idea
good points bye everybody
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Stone-IslandV8
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 15:20 |
For decades the government allowed cigarette advertising etc and gleefully reaped in their taxes from it-this is only a facade stance for public support at next election as they've figured out finally where to recoup lost revenue from by people stopping smoking.
Nicotine plus various other substances found in ciggies are more addictive and powerful drugs than heroin so lighting up isnt that much of a choice for a smoker-theres a habit that needs feeding.
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 15:06 |
One of the worst things about going for a few shandies, is in the morning your clothes stink of fags.
When I smoked after a good night out I'd wake up with a bit of a ropey head and a tight sore cheast.
Now I don't, I just wake up with a ropey head.
I've got a half smoked packet of cigs at home which has been in a kitchen drawer for months.. once in a while if stressed enough I may have one (but go outside and sit in my car). Having a packet stops me from buying more - knowing it's there. You can pick them up, smell them and then put them back.
If you go in a pub and lots of people are smoking - you are more inclined to light up, go in a pub which is non-smoking and you don't miss it (I don't anyway)
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 14:50 |
pma1ums wrote:
for all you non smokers out there if you dont like smoke then dont go in to pubs that dont have a designated [non smoker] section
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Or wait for 16 months until it is banned.
I'm just about to get the bus to the pub now, so in about 3 hours I'll be 5-6 pints better off and probabaly stink of fag smoke, but hey the beers worth it.
It will be so much better though when pubs are smoke free
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pma1ums
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 13:08 |
iam a newly reformed smoker
but iam against the ban because look at how much it has cost pubs n clubs in ireland ??? a great deal i would imagine???? the trade in pubs here that have tried a non smoking policy soon reintrudced smoking because trade was down by a good margin to warrent bringing it back
yes it has worked very well in ireland[i go regular] when i was a smoker and yep i met the odd good looking irish lass outside
for all you non smokers out there if you dont like smoke then dont go in to pubs that dont have a designated [non smoker] section
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bmwcrazy
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 12:01 |
night clubs very diff for it to loss its licence if it does club changes name on licence and reopens .losing ur licence can take anything up to a month to a year my club holds 2500 folk so thats a lot off tax for the tax man and if u did not all ready keen most councils are bent
my club has lost it once but reopend 1 month later as far as public was aware we were doing a refit makeover no it is not right before u all start but lifes not fair if the owners off the clubs say do it its done after all its there club
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livvy
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 11:27 |
bmwcrazy wrote:
i agree with both off u but saying if u get sick if u this if that but i pay taxes and so do most smokers yes its bad but so is drugs banning smoking, but mps can smoke at the old house off commans
is this right or do u all worry so much about everybody else worry about ur self .no i would not loss my job my club makes 25 30 thousand a night over weekened 2500 fine u do the maths police would spend all night dealing with smokers i do not smoke but i do belive in choice .my point was drink driving is against the law but it still happens so will smoking say what u want so will drugs e speed ghd coke all will go on till the end of time u worry so much about ur health but we all drive big fancy cars big engines co2 all that sh..t mobile phone attenas i can go on..
i do agree smoking is bad and something should be done but not a full ban .and saying it works in irealand ,irealand is the size of a ten pence piece my nans house is bigggggger so the affect will not be the same as a large city with many clubs ,pubs i wonder how many on here are aganst smoking but have taking drugs ????????? and yes ull all say no |
I'm sure I read that the government are going to make the house of commons a no smoking zone despite it's exemption. I still don't see how you are going to 25-30 thousand a night if you lose your licence by displaying flagrant disregard for the law in relation to your business.
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bmwcrazy
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 09:51 |
i agree with both off u but saying if u get sick if u this if that but i pay taxes and so do most smokers yes its bad but so is drugs banning smoking, but mps can smoke at the old house off commans
is this right or do u all worry so much about everybody else worry about ur self .no i would not loss my job my club makes 25 30 thousand a night over weekened 2500 fine u do the maths police would spend all night dealing with smokers i do not smoke but i do belive in choice .my point was drink driving is against the law but it still happens so will smoking say what u want so will drugs e speed ghd coke all will go on till the end of time u worry so much about ur health but we all drive big fancy cars big engines co2 all that sh..t mobile phone attenas i can go on..
i do agree smoking is bad and something should be done but not a full ban .and saying it works in irealand ,irealand is the size of a ten pence piece my nans house is bigggggger so the affect will not be the same as a large city with many clubs ,pubs i wonder how many on here are aganst smoking but have taking drugs ????????? and yes ull all say no
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topazman
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 07:22 |
If you choose to smoke and get an illness related to your smoking don't expect to get looked after first in hospitals etc as your illness is self inflicted and the same goes for other things like drink and drugs why should those who look after themselves be made suffer because others want to kill themselves early or fill up hospital beds etc
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 06:12 |
bmwcrazy wrote:
incorrect drink driving is against the law but wow it still kills 1500 people a year do u really think a smoking ban in a club that hold 2500 folk can be worked with 30 stewards ?// no again i will not be inforcing it so all smokers welcome to archaos queen street. |
How many do you think it would kill if it wasn't against the law?
As for enforcement, it will be up to the management to ensure that people are not allowed to smoke on the premises. I'm sure you will be told to enforce this for them. If the club owners get 2500 fines for not stopping smoking then I'm sure you will have to enforce it or lose your job. I could be wrong though...........
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livvy
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 06:11 |
Where clubs don't make efforts to enforce laws encumbent upon them, won't the Police be seeking that the licence for that club is not approved ?
As has already been said, a lot of people thought this would be unworkable but looking at Ireland it would seem to suggest that it is & does work.
Where do you get the figure 1500 killed a year by drink driving as well ? Did you just pluck it out of the air ? It's not correct, the true number is that drinking & driving was a factor present in 590 road deaths in 2004.
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bmwcrazy
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 05:58 |
incorrect drink driving is against the law but wow it still kills 1500 people a year do u really think a smoking ban in a club that hold 2500 folk can be worked with 30 stewards ?// no again i will not be inforcing it so all smokers welcome to archaos queen street.
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 04:58 |
bmwcrazy wrote:
and no i dont smoke but live and let live more folk die of being fat b... .... and drink driving
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This simply isn't true. Smoking or smoking related diseases kill more people than anything else. Oh and drink driving is against the law. Are you saying they should make fatty foods illegal?
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Posted: 17-February-2006 at 04:55 |
dirtybeemer wrote:
intresting comments here i remember a time when the general members of the public was free to enjoy life you remember when we could eat what we wanted without the health risk
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You can still eat what you like. As for the health risk, it's always been there we just haven't been so aware of it.
dirtybeemer wrote:
you could smoke as many fags as you wanted and where you wanted without the health risk
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Again, the health risk has always been there, it just wasn't known about, except by the cigarrette industry who tried to keep it under wraps.
dirtybeemer wrote:
when you could go out with your mates or the wife and not worry about been assulted go to the hospital and not have to wait for four hours to be seen to etc i think its time that DICTATOR B LIAR and his health pushing freaks went, |
Hang on, so because of Dictator Blair you cannot go out without fear of being assaulted?? IMO the fear of being assaulted has as much to do with a much greater awareness of crime than an increase in crime.
Surely if he was a Dictator he would hav banned youths from being out after dark. Also the banning of smoking was a cross party thing. Most MPs regardless of party voted for it.
Is it any less safe for women now than when the Yorkshire ripper was on the rampage?
dirtybeemer wrote:
and let us the general public be free once again to live our life's as we used to.
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I'd like to be free to go into a restaurant or a pub and not have to breath carcinogenic smoke. In fact it's an infringement of my civil liberties that I have too.
What you actually should be saying is 'I was happier when I was living in blissfull ignornace of the health risks of fatty foods and smoking'
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dirtybeemer
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Posted: 16-February-2006 at 20:02 |
intresting comments here i remember a time when the general members of the public was free to enjoy life you remember when we could eat what we wanted without the health risk you could smoke as many fags as you wanted and where you wanted without the health risk when you could go out with your mates or the wife and not worry about been assulted go to the hospital and not have to wait for four hours to be seen to etc i think its time that DICTATOR B LIAR and his health pushing freaks went, and let us the general public be free once again to live our life's as we used to.
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