MG Rover going bust (again) |
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Von Paulus
Banned User Cruisin’ the Reeperbahn Joined: 17-March-2005 Location: Hamburg and UK! Status: Offline Points: 118 |
Posted: 07-April-2005 at 18:06 | |
I'm surprised that anyone finds this even vaguely
amusing. |
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stephenperry
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Posted: 07-April-2005 at 18:14 | |
"If at first you don't succeed - lower your standards" I think MG Rover should adopt that as their company motto....oh wait, they already have. |
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Nigel
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Posted: 07-April-2005 at 18:20 | |
I dont find the rover situation amusing at all, I have family and friends that work there, as you will have guessed from my posts.
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Horsetan
Really Senior Member II Say Neigh to Gatsos Joined: 11-April-2003 Location: Please let it be Ireland Status: Offline Points: 6381 |
Posted: 07-April-2005 at 18:28 | |
This is WCUK. What did you expect? |
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Coasting
Really Senior Member II www.TOTALTORQUE.net Joined: 05-February-2005 Location: Not with the two-faced bloke. Status: Offline Points: 2125 |
Posted: 07-April-2005 at 18:30 | |
I don't find it in the slightest bit amusing, but I do find it appropriate. |
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whiterider
Really Senior Member I Joined: 03-December-2004 Location: Sunny Telford Status: Offline Points: 287 |
Posted: 07-April-2005 at 19:39 | |
I guess thats the end of the thread as well as Rover, a shame but a lot of firms have gone the same way. Britain has always been so good at amking everything except money, soon there'll be nothing left of our manufacturing industry or the skills, and once they are gone like that who will train if they are needed again?
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Doive
Really Senior Member II Joined: 09-February-2005 Location: Clinging to a turbine, Hexham Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
Posted: 07-April-2005 at 21:30 | |
Oh well, yet another nail in the coffin of manufacturing in Britain.
How do the big three in France manage to keep making profit despite the
global slowdown in car production? Don't say it's because the cars are
better - the new Megane looks as if it was designed with a spade, and
the 407 is just cohesively wrong from every angle - the 75 is much
better. I'm really feeling depressed tonight, especially for the
workers and their families - after all this whole mess isn't their
fault, they have been given hope time and time again, finally the
government and more importantly the buying public have dropped them
like a stone. The french big three survive because their country and
citizens support them - go to france and a large number of the
popuation drive a french car. Come to Britain and everyone drives
something foreign. Oh well. Welcome to Britian - the country of
managers and buerocrats. Engineering is doomed here.
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Dergside
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Posted: 08-April-2005 at 03:14 | |
Mostly because of their business model flexibility and cost consciousness. |
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Coasting
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Posted: 08-April-2005 at 03:56 | |
I don't believe this....it's all changing again. The government is now offering £40m to suppliers who'll support MG Rover through a period of time!!!!! What is going on!!!!! It's just being announced now. |
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Philip
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Posted: 08-April-2005 at 03:59 | |
Tony needs those W.midlands votes maybe??? |
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Philip
Really Senior Member II E23 the forgotten 80s BMW Joined: 28-January-2005 Location: Essex Status: Offline Points: 1425 |
Posted: 08-April-2005 at 04:04 | |
apparently Tony spent 30 mins on the phone to the Chinese PM begging him to save Rover. Is it the Chinese PM's duty to save Rover, or Tony's, or should Govts in general keep out of the business world? We are also told that Gordon did the same thing on his last visit there. Has Tony restored Britain's prestige on the world's stage after years of decline? |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 08-April-2005 at 04:23 | |
I agree with Doive on this one. It's because the French are more patriotic when it comes to cars. How else do you explain why citroen have managed to stay in business As for MG Rover, it is very sad that they are going down the plughole, but in the end it was probably inevitable. Given the choice between an Astra, Focus, Megane etc and a Rover 25, do you know anyone who would choose the 25? Same goes for the 45. |
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Peter H
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Posted: 08-April-2005 at 04:44 | |
Looks like the government are trying to speed things Up & Hide bad news in with the pope & Charles wedding & hope Voters forget their cockup. Pat Hewitt going to longbridge to offer support..... Just like she did last night ? probably taking the Grim reaper to offer assistance |
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Philip
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Posted: 08-April-2005 at 04:50 | |
She should change her name to Patricia Blew it? The issue of the £200m loan/bribe to keep rover going should have been resolved long before it came to this. |
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Von Paulus
Banned User Cruisin’ the Reeperbahn Joined: 17-March-2005 Location: Hamburg and UK! Status: Offline Points: 118 |
Posted: 08-April-2005 at 04:53 | |
Back in the early seventies, VW found themselves in
the very same predicament. Beetle sales collapsed virtually overnight, especially in the US. Over a preiod of three years and making crap like the 411, Variant and K70, VW found themselves without enough money to pay its workforce. It all looked like the end of the road for VW - it really was that bad. VW merged with Audi who had just got out of bed with Mercedes and designed the Audi 80. VW did a quick nose job (grille and lights), added a hatchback and had the first Passat which sold quite well. They then copied the Fiat 128 to the last detail, got Giugiaro in to style the car, added an Audi 80 engine and had the Mark 1 Golf. Within 18 months, VW went from being a bit of a joke making phut-phut air cooled cars nobody wanted anymore to huge success. It only takes one car to change the mould - who would have bought a Subaru before the Impreza? Exactly. the Rover 25, which was the Rover 200 was a damned good car 8 years ago. Rover (and BMW's) big, big mistake was to price it to compete witrh the Mondeo. Had they priced it just below the Escort/Focus/Astra they would probably have sold three times as many. MGR can make the cars - all they need is strong management with a grip on reality. |
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Peter Fenwick
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Posted: 08-April-2005 at 04:53 | |
I hardly think any of this can be described as their cockup. The whole problem right from the begining has been the incompetance of the management. |
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Doive
Really Senior Member II Joined: 09-February-2005 Location: Clinging to a turbine, Hexham Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
Posted: 08-April-2005 at 07:24 | |
I agree wholeheartedly with Von Paulus. The 200 was the right car at
the right time, just wrongly marketed. They made it fight well above
its weight, when realistically it slots between the fiesta and focus
and could have sold millions especially with regular updates. Talk
around Longbridge over the last few months was of the money coming from
SAIC and how they would use this to develop new models. One is already
at the prototype stage, the RD-X60 which it was hoped would replace the
25/45. From what I've seen it is a very pretty vehicle, much better
looking than the focus/megane/astra lot and with Rover's ability for
chassis engineering would undoubtedly have offered class leading ride
and handling. As Von Paulus says it would only a car like this to turn
the whole company around, and Volkswagen is a very good example of
this. Laughed at for most of the 70's, they released the mk1 Golf and
everyone stopped laughing. I'd love MG Rover to somehow pull off the
same trick, maybe then everyone would stop kicking a company when they
are down.
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Hiabboy
Really Senior Member I Joined: 05-February-2005 Status: Offline Points: 325 |
Posted: 08-April-2005 at 07:34 | |
Look on the bright side men , now we'll be able to buy a ZT260 estate for £10.50!.
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Profit is more reasonable than justice.
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bmwz3
Banned User Joined: 23-March-2005 Status: Offline Points: 76 |
Posted: 08-April-2005 at 10:22 | |
....which means we can all buy chariots with dreadful trims for 50 pence...and Hiabboy's wheely bin for 2 pence...or is that over evaluation ? Phoneix was clever to see the "brighter" side...paid a quid and sipphoned off 10 million into offshore accounts from the subsidies ! Now, that is a thinking man's approach to making a fast buck albeit a somewhat dodgy way ! |
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rubberknees50
Really Senior Member II Does it have chrome bumpers? Joined: 26-July-2004 Location: Telford, Shropshire Status: Offline Points: 1074 |
Posted: 08-April-2005 at 10:37 | |
I think governments should stay out of it, and going begging to foreign governments to save OUR industries isn't going to do the country's reputation much good. It would be nice to see MG Rover turned around, I've only ever owned one, an SD1, but friends are enthusiastic on some models (P5, P5B and P6)a neighbour has a 600 which is quite nice and years ago I had a 200 series as a hire car after a taxi driver kamikazi'd mine and it was a nice little car. Only one I wouldn't be seen dead in is metro and descendants. In a way it's quite ironic, the BMW GB club discussing how we should buy british, but I know what you all mean, the french example is a good one. Can't see any right answers for Rover, but reality based management and marketing would be a good move! |
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