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    Posted: 10-February-2005 at 15:24
Before anyone starts I am not havig a pop at anyone

Why the hell do people think the E30M3 Sport Evo is the dogs danglies?

So what there were only 600 made
So what it had a few extra BHP
So what it had a sticker on the centre console
So what it had a few extra stick on bits added to the body kit

Why dont the Evo 2's get the same credit?
Why dont the other rare versions of the M3 get credit?

Like I say I am not having a go I just dont see what all the fuss is about.
In my opinion all E30M3's are rare cars. They are all a "piece of racing history"

No I am not jealous of people who own sport evo's. Given the choice I'd rather own 2 E30M3's than 1 sport, But space and £££ wont let that happen at the moment


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 15:28
You could argue it's technically the best, being lightweight and more powerful as it is. So it's the one everyone wants.Asking if it's worth paying the extra for is a whole different thread ......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 15:37
David, I tend not to comment too much when E3 are discussed unless its about a common M3 issue. When I 'grew' up and was able to afford a better car I always strived to get the top model in the range, for example XR4i, RS Turbo 1 & 2...but when it came to BMW I had to be more practical, but vowed to get an M3....the route was 316 (318 Carb), 325iS Mk I and then onto the M3.

I have a strict budget of £10K and during my research I found myself drawn to the E3 so much....but I gave myself a good talking to and decided to get one of the 'rarer' colours for the standard model and ended up with my current car of 5 years, Sterling Silver.

I am chuffed to bits with it, a few hick ups along the way, nearly sold, but glad I kept it.

In summary, some owners are passionate enough to defend 'their' cars, some do them up and some dont.

I am glad that I joined the M3 Owners World despite everyone constantly ribbing me about having an old car...which if it was changed would be for an equally old car and M3 Alpina B6s and if I could stretch that far and MB 190 Evo 2 - I used to be an avid fan of the BTCC/ETCC and hated with a passion the M3 and MB Evo, funny how things turn round.

Ramblings over!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 15:42

Originally posted by BMG M3 BMG M3 wrote:

You could argue it's technically the best, being lightweight and more powerful as it is. So it's the one everyone wants.Asking if it's worth paying the extra for is a whole different thread ......

Out of interest does anyone know the weight of a Sport Evo compared to, say, a bog standard 195 bhp E30 M3? I wouldn't be surprised if the 195 bhp is lighter.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 15:45
Weight Links

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 15:47
Originally posted by Nostrils Nostrils wrote:

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Std = 2724
Evo 1/2 = 2702
Evo 3 = 2643

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 15:54
The reason I posted the questions above were not to get anyone annoyed but just to find out why the E3 is so highly rated.
In my opinion the E30M3 is the best of the best.
I get a tad annoyed with the E3 ownes who come out with comments about the "early cars" or "its just a 2.3" ect ect. What prompted me to post this was some of the comments in the thread titled "Broken Sport evo"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 16:06
So that means 81lbs difference.

= about £100 per pound then
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 16:11
Originally posted by David 87M3 David 87M3 wrote:

The reason I posted the questions above were not to get anyone annoyed but just to find out why the E3 is so highly rated.
In my opinion the E30M3 is the best of the best.
I get a tad annoyed with the E3 ownes who come out with comments about the "early cars" or "its just a 2.3" ect ect. What prompted me to post this was some of the comments in the thread titled "Broken Sport evo"




Dont even think it David, I have certainly not been offended! - This is one of the more civilised sites around! Just enjoy your car as I do mine!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 16:23
I don't think that I'm better than anyone else because I have a Sport Evo. I just like E30 M3's.
Circumstances are more the reason that I have one. I planned to build a 2.5L and as I wrote my last car off it seemed like a logical step.

I guess as it was the last homologation version and the only 2.5L version is why it commands the premium. But a car is only worth what people are willing pay for it. I think the Evo 2 was a great version of the M3 but let down IMO by the interior.
At the end of the day there all pretty much the same. I would like to think that where her for the same reason, a love of M cars not some ******* contest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 16:33
You can even have two Evo 2`s too for the price of a Sport(rarer than the "common" Sport).

But of course the Sport is the ultimate but they`re all great cars.

Evo 2 interior looks fine, if you keep looking straight ahead out of the windows .Kind of agree, although it has grown on me more over time (and my seats need a bit of restoration) - think it matches Macao blue well.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 16:35
Come on David, you said you would have bought my Sport Evo when I was selling it if you'd have had the folded at the time.......

Here's a question for everyone. What do the following cars have in common?


E30 M3 Sport Evo,
Merc 190 Cosworth 2.5,
1973 Porsche 911 2.7 RS,
Porsche 964+993+GT3 RS,
Audi Ur Quattro Sport,
Honda NSX Type-R,
Caterham 7 JPE,
Subaru Impreza 22B.

Answer: They were all rare versions of an existing car, made a little faster and more desirable. But in every case, the standard car was rather nice too, and one could argue in every case that the "special" version was not worth the premium over the standard car.

But I couldn't care less about that.


It comes down to this. In terms of special editions and rare cars, there are 2 types of car enthusiast.....

The first group go all gooey and light headed when they think about the Sport Evo, Quattro Sport, Impreza 22B.

The second group don't go gooey or light headed at all. The look at cars objectively. They don't care for the minimal improvements of the "specials" because they can't justify the cost involved.

But when choosing a car is so subjective and not objective, it should come as no surprise to anyone that there will be people like me willing to pay a premium for a "special".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 16:54
I agree John, a urm a 'few' years ago, and always
being a rally fan, I wanted a Lotus Sunbeam for the
very same reason, but I couldn't afford one so I
bought a Ti instead. This ended up being a group 4
rally spec 'road' car and would outrun any Lotus
sunbeam (apart from top speed as it had a 4.44 diff)
all steel bottom end, f'in screamed on open weber
45's...

Moral? i'm glad I didn't buy a Lotus version.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 17:38

hi all

i agree i do think that there is a kudos attatched to the SE.

i had been looking for one for a while and had made my mind up that was what i wanted as it was going to be a long term car etc and i guess fell into the as has already been said,i want the "top of the range" fold

i looked at three sport evos and i can say that one i wouldnt have kept a dog in

the second had had a service at Halfords i kid you not

and the third was what i would have called average condition

the interesting thing every time was that they were all over 14k nothing special mileage wise and were simply commanding their ASKING price due to what they were

i have last week bought myself an evo2 .i wanted a mint mint mint car and after viewing a lot of m3s thought that i was being too picky and maybe i was but i was lucky and found what i was looking for

my point being that just because its an SE doesnt make it a good car and i after viewing some came to the conclusion that a really nice car was a better option than having an SE and it being ok condition wise

thats not to say that there arent mint SEs out there cuz there is ive seen them just none for sale when i wanted one

i paid for what i got and iam happy with that some would say you could have got a sport evo for that but i for one would want the better condition car

and yes my wife still isnt talking to me and her last words were its a ****** F reg

yes but its a nice F reg in macau blue with 31000 miles from new and hasnt seen rain in 15 years.....why dont they see it like we do??

just my 2p worth

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 17:44
Nice one John. Where ever did you you find it !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 17:51

i cant quite believe it myself to be fair

i put a wanted ad on bmw car showroom and got an email back

guy was very reluctant to sell to be honest but he just wasnt using it and it was being stored professionally dehumid etc and had owned it for 15 years and was thinking that maybe he would sell it

i went to look and couldnt believe it

it was like viewing a brand new one.i had to have it.

all its done since ive had it is rain

roll on summer!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 17:51
Yeah, nice find. Got any more pics including the interior too?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 17:59
Are you planning to take it past 5000rpm?



Sorry. Enjoy the forum.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:00
You're not in the Kent area are you John ?

V nice looking car BTW.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-February-2005 at 18:01

hi

 

only a couple no interior yet

as i said only got it saturday and havent had chance

going through car panel by panel with my zaino polish!!

heres one of engine bay and one of wheels ive put on that id bought before i had found a car

when i get more ill post them

 

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