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    Posted: 24-February-2005 at 05:45
Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

I wasn't talking about the handling, power!!!!!
For that sort of price tah one would expect a bit more power.


I think Alpinas were/are priced in or around the same ballpark as their ///Motorsport equivalents, they kinda dropped the ball for a while following the ///M slaying twin-turbo B10 e34 with a 4.6/4.8l v8 e39 b10 <-- thats a lot of numbers huh, but have picked up the pace again with their new v8 B5 E60, which i'd incidentally prefer in character to the screaming tech'ish nature of the new v10 M5, 700nm at about 3000rpm ummmm.. and looks like a 520i ummmmmmm
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 Alas i've never owned a H35/H36 but i have owned a Sport Evo and a B6s at the same time and i must say it's a tough call. Out of all the cars i've owned it is one of the very few that i have regrets about selling. I sold the car to a guy in Holland and had to deliver it to rotterdam, it was one of the most enjoyable drives of my life. Brilliant car that the S14 M3 is ,the torque and the noise of the B6s gives it a completely different character. The learned L J K Setright wasn't quite as impressed and thought it a nasty cobble up or something to that effect but i as a mere mortal was smitten.
Profit is more reasonable than justice.
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I wasn't talking about the handling, power!!!!!
For that sort of price tah one would expect a bit more power.
E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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Points: 468 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-February-2005 at 11:43
Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

Originally posted by PJSM3 PJSM3 wrote:

Not half as well sorted as the Alpina B6s he reckoned (of which he'd owned a couple).


 



Of course one would say this after shelling out a fortune for an Alpina.
Sticking that 2valved iron monster into a M3 shell was the worst thing they could do IMO. At least Hartge used a proper engine.

Well Uwe I can't speak from experience however contemporary road testers of the B6s didn't seem to think handling was adversely affected by that old lump up front. Guess I'll have to try one myself.

 
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Originally posted by PJSM3 PJSM3 wrote:

Not half as well sorted as the Alpina B6s he reckoned (of which he'd owned a couple).


 



Of course one would say this after shelling out a fortune for an Alpina.
Sticking that 2valved iron monster into a M3 shell was the worst thing they could do IMO. At least Hartge used a proper engine.
E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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and what have alpinas got to do wit this thread about m3's ?? 

no, seriously Alpina seem to know a thing or two about chassis development, the only problem (at least with newer models) is that they dont generally provide limited slip diffs, the E36 alpina (b8?) with a 540i V8 was a serious weapon, and hugely understated.. I'd well believe the B6 (with a newer 340bhp 3.8l M5 engine even) to kick some serious ass.
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Anyone know where those 6 Hartge H 35's are now? I remember a red one in Total BMW ( I think) about three or four years ago and more recently in the UK a white one was for sale.

I remember speaking to an E30 M3  enthisiast in Germany who turned has nose up when I mentioned them. Not half as well sorted as the Alpina B6s he reckoned (of which he'd owned a couple).

 
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so why have one over a standard (190bhp?) M3 then ?
flared wheel arches ?
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for goodness sake

this is not a dragster

you're missing the point

and you probably won't ever understand - i mean, why would they have homologated a homologation special with the wrong engine??

like, hello??

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Points: 112 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-February-2005 at 10:06
Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:


and what has this to do wit this thread about Sport EVO's???

(guess that's another of this mythingyisbiggerthanyours)

Well technically the 3.5l hartge could be considered as a further 'evolution' of the E30 BMW sport (before bmw followed suit with its more adequately powered 6-pot philosophy in the e36 M3), it was obviously the best and most powerful e30 available?, only not as quick as you'd imagine is what I was getting at..

Humblest apologies to anyone of a sensitive (or cc challenged) disposition all the same..
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Nice one Uwe

Originally posted by UweM3 UweM3 wrote:

Originally posted by Úbermensch Úbermensch wrote:

The E30 M3 with its mickey-mouse engine thrown away and Hartge H 35-24
3.5L 6-cyl (m5?) engine conversion had looked promising on paper with
around 300bhp & loads of torque, but the performance stats are
alittle underwhelming for such a perceived lightweight.. 0-62 in 5.9
sec, 0-100mph 13.8sec.. ?

http://www.s14.ctmnet.de/0143/0143.htm


and what has this to do wit this thread about Sport EVO's???

(guess that's another of this mythingyisbiggerthanyours)
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not wider. Front arches are cut out HIGHER to clear 18inch wheels for Racing.
E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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Are the box arches on a Sport Evo any wider than a std M3?  I was pretty sure they weren't but someone told me recently that they are wider on the SE - I need confirmation on this please

 
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Originally posted by Úbermensch Úbermensch wrote:

The E30 M3 with its mickey-mouse engine thrown away and Hartge H 35-24
3.5L 6-cyl (m5?) engine conversion had looked promising on paper with
around 300bhp & loads of torque, but the performance stats are
alittle underwhelming for such a perceived lightweight.. 0-62 in 5.9
sec, 0-100mph 13.8sec.. ?

http://www.s14.ctmnet.de/0143/0143.htm


and what has this to do wit this thread about Sport EVO's???

(guess that's another of this mythingyisbiggerthanyours)
E61 520d, slow and buzzy but my wallet likes the mpg.....
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The E30 M3 with its mickey-mouse engine thrown away and Hartge H 35-24 3.5L 6-cyl (m5?) engine conversion had looked promising on paper with around 300bhp & loads of torque, but the performance stats are alittle underwhelming for such a perceived lightweight.. 0-62 in 5.9 sec, 0-100mph 13.8sec.. ?

http://www.s14.ctmnet.de/0143/0143.htm
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the value for money thing is very tricky

depending on what you're looking for (of course) you get a lot more for your money with a Sport

or you pay more for stuff that you don't want

i think you have to be careful with these things because it's easy to give the impression that what you're not interested in is a waste of money, or that you're a bit chippy about your car...

...and i think that's why there's always a flood of messages saying they're all just as good, makes no difference, don't worry about it mate etc etc - all of which seems daft to me because if there wasn't an issue it'd never be raised in the first place

on the car front, being BMW boys, there are plenty of people who think there are more important things for us to be chippy about....and i know about these things because i drive a cortina at weekends...
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Originally posted by PJSM3 PJSM3 wrote:

albeit sometimes only marginally. Is that your point?


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That my point. Its not that much better and I dont think it warrants the £15k price tag.

It simply isnt that much better. Thats my opinion and so far nobobdy has conviced me that they are that great.


John,
Yes I may have wanted to buy your car if i had the £££.
Not for the fact it was an Evo, But because as you know I was going to get a track car and yours was what I wanted.
A nice car with cage, Motec and harnes. It was a good all rounder road/track mobile
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Guy`s,
It`s not that I dont think its the better car,because it is.It`s just that if I agree with JW it dosen`t wind him up at all .

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David 87M3 I think you're in denial . It hard to see on any level that the Evo Sport isn't the best (E30 M3), albeit sometimes only marginally. Is that your point?

If you truly believe it isn't you are lucky to have found the serum to the Evosportitis disease that is known to rapidly develop after contact with an E30 M3. There are several victims on this forum for whom it is too late, even after alternative therapy comprising a course of Alpina B6S ownership. Don't mock the afflicted.



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Andyboy, Jonners, John W & Hiabboy - spot on!
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